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Vitek: You did stated that but I would like to hear why was that.
"Pump number 5? That's $19.89."

Mostly down to gut feeling really, and there was the early role fishing that stuck in my mind. It was either Pookina or Catte, and I felt voting for Catte would be more related to our history in past games rather than the current one, so I was left with Pookina as the obvious choice.

Obviously I was wrong, so I will have to rethink things now.
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Vitek: I don't think I would be the defensive one with you backing away from it like this.

Pointing something person did as usual mafia thing and suggesting they have inside knowledge is not exactly what I would call friendly banter.
I mean I did literally say that I don't believe that it's really a scumtell... Go and re-read the post.
The last bit about insider knowledge was a joke because it's tenuous at best. You did see that the post was festooned with smilies, right? I haven't backed away from anything because the post was never serious. The way you've taken all of this to heart is a bit eyebrow worthy though.
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my name is coole catte: Twas nought but cheeky banter daddy-o. Unless you're feeling particularly defensive? :O
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Vitek: I don't think I would be the defensive one with you backing away from it like this.
I may be misinterpreting Catte's words, but I believe he was suggesting that he himself was the one that had posted similar a number of times as town and been suspected for it?
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nmillar: I may be misinterpreting Catte's words, but I believe he was suggesting that he himself was the one that had posted similar a number of times as town and been suspected for it?
Nope, that's pretty much what I said. My entire point was that I didn't think it was AI.
The last bit about how he might know was just a jokey bit of scum bait. You know how it is, you put out an accusation and see who jumps. Well Vitek seems hot and bothered over nothing.
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nmillar: I may be misinterpreting Catte's words, but I believe he was suggesting that he himself was the one that had posted similar a number of times as town and been suspected for it?
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my name is coole catte: Nope, that's pretty much what I said. My entire point was that I didn't think it was AI.
The last bit about how he might know was just a jokey bit of scum bait. You know how it is, you put out an accusation and see who jumps. Well Vitek seems hot and bothered over nothing.
Much as it pains me to admit this, I'm actually inclined to agree with you, but I'll wait for everyone else to make an appearance before affirming this with a vote.
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ZFR: As for the people reading Pookina, Joe Town-read him, I slightly Town read him, Vitek found him a bit suspicious an nmillar found him suspicious (I'm going off memory here, correct me if I missed anything or got anything wrong).
Vitek and nmillar's read are pretty much NAIish. Both are smart enough to NK a player they "suspect" as scum for the WIFOM, and if they're Town, then anyone else could kill a player that these two scum-read to put suspicion on them.
But Pooka's flip makes me Town-read Joe a bit more. He Town-read Pooka very early when he had no reason to since Pooka's "whom would you target?" actions could be interpreted as role fishing.
Or was that Joe's plan: Town-read someone very early then NK them N1? Would Joe do that?
hm...

isn't this all backwards? Wouldn't mafia be killing people who are town read, so the fact that I town-read pooka makes me a more likely suspect while nmillar and vitek scum reading him makes them less likely?.. No? Should it not be?


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morning everybody. o_o
who was it talking about the advantages of bussing your buddies recently? Yogsloth maybe?
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JoeSapphire: isn't this all backwards? Wouldn't mafia be killing people who are town read, so the fact that I town-read pooka makes me a more likely suspect while nmillar and vitek scum reading him makes them less likely?.. No? Should it not be?
er... no

Mafia kill people who are town read by others (WIFOM aside). So if you were Mafia you wouldn't kill someone who was Town read by pretty much only you.

I find your post... strange
Hey everyone, I'll be on tomorrow as we are pushing through with the move today and I'm quite beaten. I'll catch up some time tomorrow.
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my name is coole catte: Nope, that's pretty much what I said. My entire point was that I didn't think it was AI.
The last bit about how he might know was just a jokey bit of scum bait. You know how it is, you put out an accusation and see who jumps. Well Vitek seems hot and bothered over nothing.
No, you said "hey, the thing you did is considered scummy but I did it in the past and am prepared to give you pass" and then you doubted the alleged pass right away by your next sentence. (let's disregared "prepared to give a pass" is not exactly "it is nothing")
That's textbook throwing of shade. You just pointed something out but stayed away yourself and when called out you tried to downplay it as fun only to then claim you were throwing a bait. But in fact, if you really believed it to be NAi, you wouldn't point it out by yourself at all.
I am quite unconvinced by your explanation.


Btw. you haven't answered what you thought of it yourself.

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nmillar: Mostly down to gut feeling really, and there was the early role fishing that stuck in my mind. It was either Pookina or Catte, and I felt voting for Catte would be more related to our history in past games rather than the current one, so I was left with Pookina as the obvious choice.
What does "related to our history in past games" means here? That if you put serious vote on catte you would be doubted because you have history of playing together?


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JoeSapphire: who was it talking about the advantages of bussing your buddies recently? Yogsloth maybe?
Who would ever do something so heinous as bussing their buddy? I am appalled.
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Vitek: What does "related to our history in past games" means here? That if you put serious vote on catte you would be doubted because you have history of playing together?
It's been a running joke going back to the days when Catte was just a singular eyeball. Rule 2 was created because of us. I can't remember what game it occurred in, but we were both so convinced that the other was scum, that we wagered a gift of a game on it. Both of us turned out to be town and went on to win the game.

Ever since, every game we've both played in, this has always been referenced in some way, and sometimes it isn't easy to tell if we're voting for each other for genuine reasons or because we've developed a rivalry over time.

I don't know whether we should be proud or not that we're the only two players who have a rule created for us that has appeared in every subsequent mafia game. Personally, I think that earns legend status!
I thot I saw a .... Tweety eyes his cage door, checks his feathers are all in place. Huh.

We really don't want to be that noob that is hung up on mechanics - but is the thinking that Pookina blocked the mafia hit and got offed by a 3rd party, or that mafia targetted Pookina directly? To those who have been mods - what better suits game balance from what we know at this point?


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nmillar: bjgamer (Tweety) - That boy’s as timid as a canary at a cat show
Timid? We're Tweety! ;) (And there ARE 2 pooty cats.)


Slight town leans atm: Joe, dedo

Wavering: Catte, nmillar

Eying:
ZFR - 2 bolts from the blue in the shower re:GH? The first to ID the role, the second to push suspicion and eliminate what mafia would see as an unviable target? To answer GH's question - Do we think ZFR would stay in the limelight questioning you if he was not town? Hm, the way that was set up - possible, yes. Do not underestimate him.

Vitek - Subtle pushing of ZFR on GH, or possible set-up to appear more town? Both backed off the GH vote as it picked up - waiting for townies? A subtle pushing of the inexperienced player to possibly help hammer nmillar, indications of being disturbed when we didn't? Reactions to scum baiting and possible suspicions - a bit paranoid/guilty conscience there?

RL will have our attention for the next several hours, then a trip back thru the threads to look for connections.
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Vitek: No, you said "hey, the thing you did is considered scummy but I did it in the past and am prepared to give you pass" and then you doubted the alleged pass right away by your next sentence. (let's disregared "prepared to give a pass" is not exactly "it is nothing")
That's textbook throwing of shade. You just pointed something out but stayed away yourself and when called out you tried to downplay it as fun only to then claim you were throwing a bait. But in fact, if you really believed it to be NAi, you wouldn't point it out by yourself at all.
I am quite unconvinced by your explanation.


Btw. you haven't answered what you thought of it yourself.
The next sentence where "I threw shade" is the standard teasing accusation of being mafia which sometimes works as bait. I didn't mean much by it and it's only gained significance by your reaction to it.
I honestly don't mind whether you're convinced or not, if you want to keep going with this then be my guest.

What I thought of Pooka being the target? I don't have any specific theory, just a bunch of maybes. Simple low information pick might be the most likely reason.

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nmillar: It's been a running joke going back to the days when Catte was just a singular eyeball. Rule 2 was created because of us. I can't remember what game it occurred in, but we were both so convinced that the other was scum, that we wagered a gift of a game on it. Both of us turned out to be town and went on to win the game.

Ever since, every game we've both played in, this has always been referenced in some way, and sometimes it isn't easy to tell if we're voting for each other for genuine reasons or because we've developed a rivalry over time.

I don't know whether we should be proud or not that we're the only two players who have a rule created for us that has appeared in every subsequent mafia game. Personally, I think that earns legend status!
It's funny, although I'm very proud of our rule, your rivalry with Robbeasy is what stuck in my memory more (as far as rivalries go). Oh, and I think it might have been the household appliances game that we had our bet in - I think Robbeasy was the final scum? Or did he mod it? I can't remember.
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bjgamer: Vitek - Subtle pushing of ZFR on GH, or possible set-up to appear more town? Both backed off the GH vote as it picked up - waiting for townies?
I "backed off" because he was at L-1 and we didn't want an accidental or "accidental" quickhammer. I specifically said that I should still be considered on his wagon and if he flips Mafia, the wolf pelt belongs to me as the first voter.
I could say "bum" but I'll say "hobo" instead. it is more genteel. Or something. :)