You could do with following your own advice. All you've done this day is declare that flub must be scum, there is no other player who could possibly be scummier, based on... well, absolutely jack shit. You can pat yourself on the back all you like about lynching CSPVG day 1, but we all know he could have flipped town and it was just luck that meant he was actually scum this game.

Let's look at the board shall we?
Yes, there's flub, there's no walls of text, but there never is with flub. That's not how he plays. I don't think he could be quite accused of lurking though as his contributions have been fairly regular. Not backing down on yogs with all the information available to him, that does look a little bad, but I've seen worse (and done worse) from town before. The thing with flub is, he is very intelligent (he may like to claim otherwise, but I know it to be true) but he portrays everything in a jokey fashion, it's up to you to pay attention to his posts and pick up on the (usually pretty good) insights he has. Yes, he probably does this so that when he is scum it's easier to hide and harder to catch him out, but you know what? That just means it's a damn good play. Could he be scum this game? Certainly. Have I seen any strong evidence he is? No.

What about Lift? Spend most of day 1 wanting to lynch yogs, then all of a sudden 'got' the thing and now is fully signed up certain town. Really? Without any access to the 'secret' code I had guessed the probably reason for yogs claim within the first three or four pages of the thread. Lift apparently (from what I gather from his posts) has the secret code or some part of it available to him and still took most of the day to see it.. and now he's advocating a mass claim (which in practically every game I've played, despite usually being a pro-town move, gets called out as being scummy) and no has even batted an eyelid?

Then there's Krypsyn. As inscrutable as ever but you can't help but feel something's off by the way he keeps trying to defend untenable positions... And well... he's always scum. Sure bet.

What about Sage, cristi or BlueMooner? I think they've all checked in now, but valid reasons or not they've all been lurky as hell and that was enough of a reason to vote CSPVG yesterday but it's not good enough anymore?

There's trent, who still doesn't quite seem to have picked up on what makes yogs and the others town, which is a little odd to say the least as everyone else seems to have got it.

There's mchack, who soft claimed vanilla day 1 and is now trying to push for a mass claim.

I'm sure anyone could give you a dozen reasons they find me (and any other's I've left out) suspicious if you asked.

And then there's you; self proclaimed town cop on day 1, yet hasn't been able to return a useful result, and managed to out a considerable number of town power roles day 1, it can't really be a coincidence that Agent got NK'd considering how much he had to say about yogs' claim and play.

Yeah, you got lucky and got CSPVG day 1. Big frickin' woo. Why don't you try playing the game too instead of just phoning in a vote and belittling everyone until you get your way?

Well said. I don't feel as strongly about it as you do, but I get where you're coming from. As mchack has pointed out I can't really claim to be entirely blameless when it comes to name calling, but I think for me it's generally a reaction to those who act that way first (i.e. HijacK and yogs), and I (usually) mean it in fun.

I don't want anyone to give up playing the game, but if there's one thing I can't stand it's when people think they know better than everyone else (particularly without any good reason).


As for wagon analysis; a rushed last minute lynch on a lurker doesn't leave much to go, but I'll see what I can do.