The gameplay I would personally not a turn-based combat (similar to that in ff XV) I know that many will disagree ... but I think the turn-based combat in 3D are gross, a 3D map for exploration as large as 2D map, the same story (if they change a comma died).

Personally I consider it one of the best games of all time.
I saw that consider it overrated is fashionable but for me the other final fantasy not take the comparison:
final fantasy 1 is really too old, and has nothing really fantastic.
final fantasy 2 is the worst of the series.
final fantasy 3 is my second favorite, it has an amazing story (although the story is epic), but it has the best-class system that I have ever tried.
final fantasy 4 is cute.
final fantasy 5 is nice at first but it has a story line very anonymous.
final fantasy 6, the much-praised, I do not like at all ...
final fantasy 8 is cute.
final fantasy 9 is cute.
Final Fantasy 10 is the worst of all, no map itself, only small 3D environments, going from point A to point B by defeating monsters and watch the cut-scenes ... this is the game. boring.
final fantasy 11-12-13-14 I have not played.
final fantasy 15 if released to computer without being a mmmo, I'll prove it.

Never played on, or cared about, arcades anyway, so I'll pass on that commercial. You see, I always liked stories, and when I was a kid, games had no stories. So I liked computers and I learned programming and stuff, but the games themselves were not that interesting. I just read a lot of books instead of playing videogames.

The thing is, I have tried emulators. I played (or at the very least tried to play) games on NES and SNES, such as FF 4-6 or Chrono trigger. And I'm still not impressed. I find that the older RPGs, including the ones sold here on GOG like Might & Magic or Ultima, had not much on the story department and tended to be random grindfests or full exploration experiences. Not all of them, sure, but every now and then I give a "new" one a try and I never keep playing for long. Because I simply don't enjoy their style. I've heard several people comment how much they liked early jRPG X despite being in Japanese and not understanding a word, simply because of how challenging it was. Good for them, I have no interest on that.

You said it yourself, things changed with FF7. You may be right. But, is it that hard to imagine that I like it better that way? That, despite its flaws, I consider it a great game not simply because it was my first jRPG, but because after years of trying many of them I actually find it stands out among them all? That I genuinely enjoyed its quirkyness and it gave me exactly what I liked? I did like FF6 a lot, yes. Maybe if I hadn't played it on an emulator years later I would have liked it more, similarly to how I my biggest complaint about FF IX was that I had to play it on an emulator.

People have tastes. Some people don't like Chocolate. Some people don't like Deus Ex, for pete's sake. Why is it so hard to accept that some people genuinelly like FF7? Honestly, I find blanket statements like "anyone who likes FF7 doesn't know any better" or "FF7's only good point was coming out when it did" somewhat offensive. I'm not trying to convince others that FF7 is the best jRPG ever, and I don't intend to downplay the impact of the release's timing. I don't know what other people might think either. What I do know is that I loved FF7, and I still think it's a great game. I try to respect other people's tastes, and expect others to do the same.

Games never had stories? ever played those FF titles I just mentioned? or Ultima? or a fucking Dungeons and Dragons title? more like you never experienced one because you never found one, you did say it, hell you just said you readed fucking books!

So you were never interested in a chanllenging experience nor a games that actually required manuals with more than 40 pages of backstory with exploration to be immersed in the world.....dude Ultima is one of the most Epic and fulled to the brim with lore RPG world you could ever imagine, you sound like such a kid when you say you loved FF7 yet can't enjoy that of fucking Ultima because you couldn't have cared less after playing for more than AN HOUR...I am gonna leave it at that because the way you are making it sound, it's like saying Digimon is better than fucking Pokemon or CoD is better than Battllefiedl! is batshit!

See that? that is the reason why games choosed that focus, there were millions of young people who thought that way and changed THE ENTIRE COURSE of how they would be made in the mainstream, you can read it here in the thread, the fact the game was the first of it's time to develop the same mechanics of an entire genre that has already done it before ten years ago, just with 3D graphics and melodramatic characters with no sense of subtlety (I can see you would enjoy Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenogears though, because they are not as ridden with that aspect and are the best example of animu JRPG that doesn't need to be animu bullshit at the same time and done right in a set of change of teh genre due to FF7) Especially when there are games without that focus, but you didn't give them the attention they needed and deserved, but it's your taste, so it ends there, but you really could do better in knowing why they are so good if you pulled your own effort into playing them, but that is just me

Hey I think the game is decent in it's own right, but having played it also in the years of emulation (after I regretted selling my PS1 TOGETHER with my favorite game on that console the fuck ever; Toy Story 2) I found it more....of a bore fest to get through that FF5, but it did aged better than fucking Tomb Raider the game I changed it for back when I owned it (the worst desicion in my life, I fucking HATE that game, at least FF7 aged poorly, that game aged like an old "stud" bottle of rum left in the attic for 30 years) anyone can respect someone's opinion, some don't, acknowledge that, but I think there is a say for this types of matters when it comes to that pride "the only ones that get to be called faggots are the ones that deserve to be offended by it "

neither have i. FMV games used to make me cringe till my stomache muscles cramped up and i curled up into a ball, shivering in the night.

https://youtu.be/WjW4fRTztN8

Right place, right time. The fact that it was a solid game helped; good characters, good writing (not translating, though) for the time, good mechanics. I might prefer 6, all things considered, but 7 was a good game at exactly the right place and time.
Really? Not the "preschool class saves the world" or the confusingly squirrel-tailed child? Man, 9 confused the hell out of me.

I'd buy because I feel guilty for never quite finishing the original game. :(

A few things that probably made it uber popular...

1) FF in 3D

Yeah it's sorta ugly by today's standards, but back then Nintendo and everyone were trying to push 3D games more... If i recall right Nintendo would pretty much plain refuse any games that weren't 3D, which means 2D platformers were rare or non-existent on the N64...

2) Beautiful Cutscenes! (some of them)

Considering SquareSoft to that point had only done games on the Nintendo, there was never space for cutscenes, not CGI pre-rendered anyways. Don't forget the PS1 was launched recently when FF7 came out; I remember reading somewhere that FF7 helped SELL the PS1. I think i got a copy somewhere (in near pristine condition) that will sell for a few hundred if i tried.

3) Huge variation of monsters

Having lots of different types of monsters and how they act extends the life because you won't get quite so bored of fighting the same monster over and over again. There were... what... 300 different types of monsters in FF7? I honestly don't know, but it's a lot.

4) The Materia System

An awesome system where you can link secondary effects to an item, which was a game-changer back in the day. Apply ALL to your heal skill and heal your whole group for the same price as healing one! Attach a HP steal to Counter and when you get hit you automatically attack back and get some HP back! The system was robust enough that you'd have fun just trying to change out how your skills worked, or optimize effects.


The story and plot were epic enough to keep you going, even if it made no sense (at least to me when i was 14...)

Then there were summons, which you'd love to call just to see how they would act because sometimes they would act differently. Examples are the Chocobo materia, sometimes it would call a herd of chocobos doing damage, and other times it would summing THE FAT CHOCOBO Which would just land on your opponents.

Then final attacks that were insane, involving lifting half the landmass and throwing it in the air, destroying it and hitting your enemies, and then the land just reforming to normal... It was crazy and funny at the same time. So many good memories...

I'd rather see FF6 get an HD 3D remake. Most of the epic plots in the 7th one were a lot of ones ripped from the phantasy star series of games, just pasted into one.

Jesus, you guys have turned into a sad, pathetic, cynical bunch.

I, for one, look forward to this and you can guarantee they're aiming for the 20th anniversary which is easily reachable.

I think FF6 is the best in the series, and honestly it doesn't really need a remake. The old SNES game still holds up to this day. Oh, and I'm just going to pretend that the abomination that was the iOS/Android port does not exist.

FF7 would benefit a lot more from a remake, since it's one of those early 3D games that have not aged well at all.

I try to always be hopeful... But company/business practices usually get me down and cynical :(


Loved FF6, hated Kefka :P But yeah it still stands up today quite well... Although the world map and mode9 could use an update. A full 3D or newer version, i'd be iffy about... Maybe upgrading the resolution of all the sprites could be nice, although a number of algorithms on emulators do a decent job usually. Hmmm maybe i should run through them and do comparisons, although just adding scanlines tricked the eyes/brain to filling in the details and making it look better.

Probably the bad early 3D is the main reason there was a cry when the PS2 came out that they wanted the update/remake, just to make the game run smoother and run on 1 disc and just look better overall. And the low polygon cutscenes (like cloud jumping on the passing train) going away would be nice...


Actually i remember my first experiences with a PS2. My neighbor friend (who we borrowed/copied games from a lot) had Armored Core 3, and Soul Reaver 2 (which i beat in like 1-2 days)... Those games looked and played awesome, and having almost no other experience i can see why an update to FF7 would be wanted and begged for.

Not the biggest fan of the art style, but it's not something that particularly bothered me.

No, games tended to have no stories. There were exceptions, yes, but most games had an excuse more than a plot.
Rather than 40 pages of backstory, I'd rather have 700 pages of actual story, thank you very much. I've always been interested on games with a good plot, that's the whole point, it's just that they weren't better than the plots available elsewhere. Not even close. And is it really that shocking that people might have a different taste than you do? I certainly enjoyed the first CoD's single player mode much more than battlefield 1942's; and while I know nothing of digimon it can't be hard to make something more interesting than the (IMO) extremely boring gameboy pokemon game.
So you blame ignorance and dumb people for liking what you didn't like and ruining what you like with their "mainstream". Sorry to break it to you, but that's how life works. When you have super specific tastes, there's not much product catering to you. And then there's Sturgeon's law. For all my complaints about Deus Ex 2, I will not blame the millions of gamers who prefer a straight shooter to deep DX gameplay.
I strongly dislike blanket statements, specially those that anyone who disagrees with you ignorant or dumb. I tend to challenge those when I come accross them, particularly when they come from people I otherwise like. It's not so much about me being hurt as pointing out and making that person realize how arrogant it sounds.

Wanted that much story? are you still looking for it? cuz the amount of cutscenes that game has is 40 minutes and it can be completed in 8 hours, taking of course the stop every time the game wants to stop to have a breath from it's story even though I still wanna explore Midgar, but fuck that right? Here, have Ultima fucking 6, wanted 700 pages of actual story? go play Ultima 4 or 3 while trying to read it's manual, 700 pages is a third of a page of one of game of thrones' books and a afternoon, wanna play games that take time to complete and enjoy without having to forcefully top gameplay or make a grindfest? the same you are accusing some games of being? even though the difference is that you LIKE this game? play any other RPG series then comeback, the reason manual were really fucking big back then, was because 4 MB would fill a floppy disk and they needed some other way to explain the lore of the game, also look Spoony's review pf Ultima 3, but you have said you didn't come around those games at the time, so you wouldn't know or relate to them.

I did not blame people for being stupid, I blamed kids for being kids and gave credit to the fact Sony could move millions of units by trying to use a tech demo in development to being an Uber tech demo in the visual aspects (the game was presented differently three times during it's promotion, hell people would remember square by the time they presented an unfinished version of it after making Parasite Eve), I said to you if the majority liked it, then the course would change, fuck off with your sense of pretension, cuz you already sound like the little girl at the park who said "told you so" to a fucking time cognissant, you are not getting the point and you aren't teaching anyone anything and how much ignorance can you spew when Breath of Fire, Orc Battle, Ultima, were MAINSTREAM or rather TRIPLE A products that lead the RPG market? when the difference is the focus of the audience in the market? which is why you are here? fucking hell the past is showing in you and how much you didn't know who ran things, I am the one talking about the past here and how it got done and you say "I should deal with it" when the closest thing to that is acknowledgement? when I have already done? and who are you to say that with me enjoying niche? are you implying I can't enjoy the mainstream products because of what I am saying? sorry I am too blocked out in the world with the games that are within that range of triple A acknowledgment while having my fucking taste (Battlefield, Any Tom Clancy title and WaW), fuck you very much, we can pinpoint the cause to what lead the industry, everyone is free to do or say what they fucking want, especially when it clearly has it's downs, if this were to be a conversation of an FPS you would fucking see it, but no, we can't acknowledge the faults of a product, fuck those guys and the demand of creative creation or skeptimcism towards the industry right? yeah fuck no, I don't live with a finger up my ass, I have my goverment already doing that.

Self-awareness is needed, not for the first statement, but for the last one, take a hike if your second paragraph didn't sounded like that and blanket statement? or fact? when someone is acting stupid in your eyes, don't you call them stupid? or is blindness a thing for you also? I already stated awareness of the quality of a product even when I think is just fucking average and doesn't this "blanket statement" instigate challenge to their emisor? or is it just for fucks and chuckles? or does the word "instigate" also sounds too agressive? you are projecting from your second paragraph, of DEAL. WITH. IT dude, specially when you are pulling an instance where you think anything can be argued, but without the awareness of your or his point being shit from the start -_-

I have played FF4, FF5, and other snes era jRPGs. Not impressed.
I have watched spoony's Ultima review videos. All of them. Not impressed.
I have played early Might & Magic and wizardry titles here on GOG. Not impressed.
I have played some early D&D games. Not impressed. That said, dragonlance games were not exactly very good.

I have come to the understanding that I don't particularly like those very old school RPGs. They focus too much on "killing shit with your gear". Sue me.

My point is not that everything can be argued. My point is that tastes cannot be argued, people like different things. And despite it's shortcomings, I liked FF7. I still do, even though I'm no longer a fan of random encounters. I think it's a good game that came out at a good time, not a game whose only interest point was the timing it came out with like Spuddy was saying.

I tried to explain why I was arguing this to start with, with Spuddy and not with you; I did not attack you. Not intentionally anyway. And I don't think I was making blanket statements, I was pointing at you specifically. You insist on me not knowing any better is why I like this game, and I would agree with you if only I tried this or that game. But I already did, and still don't agree with you, because we like different things.