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WOW, first I learnt this week that ironically Cyberpunk 2077 is the first game I know off to not be 100% DRM free for all single player content (requires gog galaxy for my rewards to get in game single player content) and now bending the knee to communist china.

I hope the great... Xi Jinping is a big GOG fan as you have access to my reciepts and I wont be buying from you for the foreseeable future, depending how you handle this & CP2077 not being totally DRM free.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by Chaossaturn
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I don't believe GOG even has Chinese store. You can only sell approved games in China, that's why Steam had to set up different client with limited library to be allowed to exist in China. What Chinese players are using GOG are probably using VPN.
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SLOFila: This is unacceptable for a company that comes from a "european" country. Where are the democratic european values? Even more absurd considering Poland has been one of the hardest hit countries by the nazi regime and yet when the CCP comes knocking, they immediately bend backwards. Democratic values indeed. Makes a mockery for those people that lost their lives in fight for independence and freedom of speech.
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lace_gardenia: welcome to capitalism. it's always been this way.
Yes and no. Capitalism is pursuing profits. This last week has seen CDPR do a lot of things that go against pursuing profits. They might make money in the short term, but they will lose long term. At a time when their is a lot of ill will due to the buggy 2077 launch, now is not the time to further discredit themselves. That being said, I'm all for them choosing not to offer the game in China. If the laws there say you can't sell this game in China, that is up to the people of China to change. What I am not okay with is them not selling it to anyone because China says no.
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SLOFila: This is unacceptable for a company that comes from a "european" country. Where are the democratic european values? Even more absurd considering Poland has been one of the hardest hit countries by the nazi regime and yet when the CCP comes knocking, they immediately bend backwards. Democratic values indeed. Makes a mockery for those people that lost their lives in fight for independence and freedom of speech.
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lace_gardenia: welcome to capitalism. it's always been this way.
Perhaps you'd be happier living in China then?
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lace_gardenia: welcome to capitalism. it's always been this way.
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myrhev: Yes and no. Capitalism is pursuing profits. This last week has seen CDPR do a lot of things that go against pursuing profits. They might make money in the short term, but they will lose long term. At a time when their is a lot of ill will due to the buggy 2077 launch, now is not the time to further discredit themselves. That being said, I'm all for them choosing not to offer the game in China. If the laws there say you can't sell this game in China, that is up to the people of China to change. What I am not okay with is them not selling it to anyone because China says no.
Not selling the game in China makes sense. If chinese are upset about it then it makes sense to not do it. Just like it's hard to sell games with Nazi flags in Germany.

But that doesn't mean China gets to dictate what I get and not get to play in my own country on a different continent over something as absurd as someone's hurt ego.
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lace_gardenia: welcome to capitalism. it's always been this way.
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aez101: Perhaps you'd be happier living in China then?
china is capitalism with communist aesthetics

they have billionaires
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lace_gardenia: welcome to capitalism. it's always been this way.
Always. lol
China gave the world the Chinese Flu pandemic. Capitalism is giving us a vaccine in record time.
The Chinese people rape, mutilate and murder minorities in a fashion last performed by Hitler and the National Socialist party.

Or, to quote Dara Ó Briain, "China has two words for Tibet, and it's China. So F*** them".

Either way.
GOG. Give us Devotion. Or don't expect any from us as your customers.
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lace_gardenia: welcome to capitalism. it's always been this way.
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shattenyagger: Always. lol
China gave the world the Chinese Flu pandemic. Capitalism is giving us a vaccine in record time.
The Chinese people rape, mutilate and murder minorities in a fashion last performed by Hitler and the National Socialist party.

Or, to quote Dara Ó Briain, "China has two words for Tibet, and it's China. So F*** them".

Either way.
GOG. Give us Devotion. Or don't expect any from us as your customers.
china is quite capitalist
Post edited December 16, 2020 by lace_gardenia
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aez101: Perhaps you'd be happier living in China then?
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lace_gardenia: china is capitalism with communist aesthetics

they have billionaires
Who are all interlinked within the CCP, hmm, funny, I'm sure there's some honest Joe (not Biden), Qiáo who is working in a rice field totally loaded, he's just breaking his back for the giggles, I'm sure.
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lace_gardenia: china is capitalism with communist aesthetics

they have billionaires
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CityDPRED: Who are all interlinked within the CCP
quite so, yes
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EasyGamer: Here's how GoG should have dealt with this matter:

1) Add Detention to the store (Red Candle Games' first work - the developer of Devotion). This would introduce the dev to GoG costumers without alienating anyone - Detention is still on Steam and Netflix even has a show based on it;

2) Allow a few weeks to pass;

3) Then, without any warning or fanfare, add Devotion to the store, as GoG usually does with the new games it adds every week;

4) Keep Devotion on the store regardless of presumable external influence.

Just my two cents...
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sunshinecorp: The problem was that Tencents are more than two cents. :D
badum tish ;)
Post edited December 16, 2020 by lace_gardenia
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I never heard about this game, but delisting it before it was released is a bad move. Probably GOG wanted to release the game, but someone high up in the company blocked this to avoid controversy in China. Or maybe they were spammed by army of bots. GOG of course has full rights to add and remove games from his catalogue as he wants, but the example of Devotion is quite disturbing. It simply seems bad that the game is removed due to political issues.
You know. Surely GOG knows what their demographics are like and where the customer base is. I sincerely doubt customer from China makes up even a tiny portion of the customers. This is a weakass move and really no pro customer friendly. Lets all hit the high seas and look for this game. Got me curious now
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EasyGamer: Here's how GoG should have dealt with this matter:

1) Add Detention to the store (Red Candle Games' first work - the developer of Devotion). This would introduce the dev to GoG costumers without alienating anyone - Detention is still on Steam and Netflix even has a show based on it;

2) Allow a few weeks to pass;

3) Then, without any warning or fanfare, add Devotion to the store, as GoG usually does with the new games it adds every week;

4) Keep Devotion on the store regardless of presumable external influence.

Just my two cents...
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sunshinecorp: The problem was that Tencents are more than two cents. :D
Why does Tencents have any influence over the release of this game?
Post edited December 17, 2020 by Niggles
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Niggles: You know. Surely GOG knows what their demographics are like and where the customer base is. I sincerely doubt customer from China makes up even a tiny portion of the customers. This is a weakass move and really no pro customer friendly. Lets all hit the high seas and look for this game. Got me curious now
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sunshinecorp: The problem was that Tencents are more than two cents. :D
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Niggles: Why does Tencents have any influence over the release of this game?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#Video_games
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Niggles: You know. Surely GOG knows what their demographics are like and where the customer base is. I sincerely doubt customer from China makes up even a tiny portion of the customers.
You might be surprised by the numbers. I think this is the real reason for what we're seeing.
https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1337442173424459782
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CityDPRED: Communism has how many deaths linked to it, so many great leaps that fail to even get off of the floor, it is ok though, I'm sure they can use the "people's" corpses to get to the high places.
But, no you're right, damn those capitalist dogs.
Capitalism walk across millions of corpsed too, without ever blinking an eye. 2000 children starving every day, that could easily be saved, but it's not profitable, so it's not a problem? Destroy the planet out of greed (which has cost millions and will cost billions of lives, in a few decades), not a problem?

Also, China doesn't have anything resembling "communism" as a form of rule or economy, it's a form of state capitalism and a bureaucratic dictatorship.

Real communism is absolutely democratic, because there is no central power (which is determined by ownership of stuff, which equals power). And that's why it doesn't work on larger scales, only in small, well... communities (where the term comes from).

I absolutely think that Devotion should be released here. This place is (or used to be) about DRM-free, so ultimately about freedom (from the schemes of Western capitalist greed no less). And I don't get why the Chinese are so upset about comparing their "leader" to Winnie (jokes about mothers are not ok though, IMO), the original pre-Disney Winnie was pretty wise...

But bashing China and the Chinese people won't help with that in any way.