supplementscene: Also willing to lynch HSL or Trent but I don't think we have the numbers for them.

Korotan: I can see somehow your reason because his vote seems strange and even less effertort than I think I did. But about hypocrit you critisized me for jumping around arround and now I see you jumping too.

Mayby I am taking it to personal too but what Blotunga did whas just one step above what DeadPorno would be ready to do too if I understood him correct. For me it really seems you just for those who you find fitting to pick up on and talk back when other confront you with questions and sayings that they make think first they are idiots.
VOTE TrashSeal

HypersomniacLive: Actually, "a guilty conscience needs no accuser" is how I understood it, but seeing the interpretation of your mother-tongue expression, you didn't mean it that way (i.e. no guilt or remorse drive a need to confess a wrongdoing).

HypersomniacLive: Accusation may have been a bit strong, but com'on, I find it hard to believe that you didn't get what point I was driving.

Korotan: Mayby I am taking it to personal too but what Blotunga did whas just one step above what DeadPorno would be ready to do too if I understood him correct. For me it really seems you just for those who you find fitting to pick up on and talk back when other confront you with questions and sayings that they make think first they are idiots.
VOTE TrashSeal

Lifthrasil: Damn. I hit 'Post' to early. Stupid 10 min rule.

Lifthrasil: That is very interesting. What did HSL and Trent do to be put on your 'scummy' list? And if they are on your scummy list, then why did you hop on the wagon they established? At the moment you voted for me, these two were the only ones doing so - and if you suspect both of them, it is very strange to follow them on a wagon!

Lifthrasil: I ... honestly don't understand what you want to say with the last two sentences. Especially the last one doesn't even make sense. Could you please try to rephrase it?
I do get that the jumping looks bad. But bear in mind that I jumped only between my top three picks. All three of them, Scene, SPF and blotunga, seem scummy to me so I am willing to lynch either today.

One question: you do realize that you just followed Scene again? Like you did at the start of this Day and at the start of the first Day. It is almost starting to look like a 'follow the leader' pattern.

dedoporno: I don't think Koro is really picking up speed so I'd be fine with him as well.

blotunga: Anyway to move things forward, I don't like Pooka's silence so let's go there:
vote pooka

HypersomniacLive: You can have whatever suspects and related priorities you want. That's not the point. It's the way you've been going about things all Day long (trentonlf, PookaMustard, Korotan, supplementscene, and now SirPrimalform), and how you word/frame things (trentonlf/supplementscene, PookaMustard, Korotan, and now SirPrimalform further down); as I've said, your scum-hunting looks and feels superficial, like you're mimicking your established town-play to appear to be game-solving.

You never directly address the things I question/challenge you about, often going for the "oops" excuse which you then use to appear hard at game-solving and scum-hunting (like with PookaMustard and supplementscene), and straight out ignore my follow up when I lay out how you dance around and dodge my questions.

Take this for example:

HypersomniacLive: It'd seem that you look at Korotan's (re)actions in a vacuum, and that's the good version of it. In context, it comes across as trying to find things to pick on the easiest target, the weakest player (no offence, Korotan) who can't defend themself well. And when attention is drawn to it, you find a reason to back-pedal.

A broader look at your votes, and assuming they are honestly your suspects, I definitely don't like how you frame things. Look at how you prefaced your current vote on SirPrimalform for example [emphasis added]:

HypersomniacLive: What's that supposed to mean? It reads to me like you're trying to create a dichotomy - "it's either SirPrimalform or supplementscene" - and at the same time, shift responsibility about the outcome on the rest of us.

HypersomniacLive: Almost sounds like it bothers you that I'm not more open so you can't adjust your play to get off my radar.
You're a smart person, Lifthrasil, does it really come as a surprise that you're my main suspect at the moment after the way I've questioned you since the start of D2?

People say you've upped your game, and while that may be true, I look at your play, and a few too many things don't add up with you this game. I've wondered if I'm reading too much into them, hence I've asked others about it, but I haven't got much feedback (only trentonlf and somewhat ZFR chimed in).

Vote Lifthrasil

@all, asking again - am I reading too much into all of this?

I prefer Lifthrasil, but willing to go with supplementscene (indeed, dedoporno makes a good point, I think Lifthrasil made a similar one earlier) and SirPrimalform (even though Lifthrasl's voting him), not sure about anyone else even to avoid No-Lynch.

Also, meant to ask @ZFR - is Microfishd on the table for the same reasons as Yesterday, or has anything changed Today?

Lifthrasil: No, I haven't. But thanks for the misrepresentation, it confirms that you only see what you want to see. I said repeatedly that going after lurkers is a fallback solution when there are no other, better leads. That is something quite different from 'targeting lurkers first and foremost'.

Lifthrasil: And another misrepresentation. Blotunga wasn't the most convenient wagon when I voted him. You were. You had the same number of votes (one) and the interest of more players that Blotunga. And before that I was the only one voting SPF. How is that 'picking the most convenient wagon'?

I'll tell you what 'picking the most convenient wagon is'. It's selecting the only player with two votes on them and adding your vote. Which is exactly what you did, as soon as I had two votes on me. Which kind of fits your MO in this game. After all you started the game in the same way: out of all players you picked the only one who already had a (random) vote on him.

Lifthrasil: That is very interesting. What did HSL and Trent do to be put on your 'scummy' list? And if they are on your scummy list, then why did you hop on the wagon they established? At the moment you voted for me, these two were the only ones doing so - and if you suspect both of them, it is very strange to follow them on a wagon!.

blotunga: Korotan is lost in space.

supplementscene: @Joe
looking at the rules myself, SPF, Fran should all should have been modkilled for not checking into the game for over 36 hours.

Korotan: Well about your last question which made me think that rational you are scum is that you dodging questions from Hypersomniac so about your last question no I did not realized it because I thought myself more following HSL's lead which is mayby not better but does not matter. Because one person here said which I forgot, that I should just vote instead of fear how it look like because sooner or later everyone will be looking suspicious.

dedoporno: You seemed to read the OP and the flavor properly, why would you be skimming posts which contain actual game related information? What type or who's posts are you not paying full attention to and why?

dedoporno: [emphasis added by me]

I'm not sure I understand that last bit. Can you elaborate a bit?

supplementscene: his avatar is mocking the game.

PookaMustard: That said, HSL's posts are the most likely ones for me to skim. I can agree with Lift that - worrying about what points HSL would pick if I replied to his questions is something I often have conflicts with. In the end, I do reply to his questions and answer them to the best of my ability, but I would be lying if I said it doesn't tire me.

PookaMustard: What I am saying is that I expected Mafia to be simpler, with only vanilla Town and vanilla Mafia, nobody has any special abilities. Or at least less role shenanigans to worry about. I didn't expect to be thinking about a serial killer, or if there's some roles that allow the mafia to have two night kills.

PookaMustard: I've still reason to believe SPF has something wrong about him; but maybe I am looking too much into his frequency of posting. After all, the previous Secret Hitler game had the scum be active players and we (I was one of the scum) used the barely active liberals to our favor. I am inclined to believe that the scum in this game are mostly active players. After all, can't really turn the narrative away from scum if you're inactive.

Lifthrasil: That doesn't change, however, that Scene still looks scummy.

ZFR: Dude, where did you read this? Rule says we should check at least once in 36hrs, but nowhere it says modkill is to be the punishment.

Asking to modkill other players, except in extreme circumstances like Fran, is a big no-no. Please don't.

ZFR: His avatar came from Secret Hitler and has nothing to do with this game.

PookaMustard: What I am saying is that I expected Mafia to be simpler, with only vanilla Town and vanilla Mafia, nobody has any special abilities.