dedoporno: I thought you were locked on this being a slip. Does this mean you aren't that sure and just hoping it will work out?

dedoporno: I will vote once I get back home from work as I want to go back and re-read your and Lift's posts.

The deadline is 12 hours as of this posts, I should be able to place my vote in about 6 hours (or earlier, if possible).

dedoporno: We don't want a no-lynch.

Lifthrasil: No, definitely not. No-lynch is usually the worst for town that can happen, since it deprives town of information.

Lifthrasil: And yet you vote for a player that has voted and isn't lurky. Doing exactly what you accuse me of: hopping on the train that seemed most promising at the time.

But you know what, you're right in one point: with only 11 hours to go, there isn't much time left to secure a lynch. SPF seems to be protected by 'he always lurks like that'. Unfortunately. And I don't see anyone else following my reasoning for voting blotunga either. So, even though I'll be accused of vote hopping and OMGUS again, I'll put my vote back to where it might still be useful.

vote Scene

JoeSapphire: 3 - ThrashSeal (Lifthrasil) - Trentonlf, HypersomniacLive, Supplementscene,


Lifthrasil currently holds the most votes at 4 away from majority.

supplementscene: For the risk of no lynch, why not vote now in case you can't access the internet later? Then change your vote after the re-read if that changes your opinion.

SirPrimalform: Damn, it feels like that Lifthrasil dragon built really fast.

ZFR: Majority is 6, right? Lift is at L-3.

dedoporno: It's still 7. There are 12 alive players right now.

dedoporno: It's still 7. There are 12 alive players right now.

supplementscene: No it's 6, we started with 12 and there are 11 players currently

trentonlf: You are correct, 6 is how many it should be

ZFR: Can we perhaps say whom are we willinv to vote, with the deadline looming.

I'd really love to go with blotunga or scene.

Willing to go Lift (for his later behaviour) or Pooka for his early day behaviour.

SPF or Micro, in that order, in order to avoid a no lynch.

Not willing HSL, Koro, trent and dedo.

supplementscene: Right but I haven't advocated targeting lurkers first and foremost. You have.

supplementscene: I've attempted to find the most suspicious players. From Day 1 I've stated I look closely at how wagons grow and it has appeared like you've picked convenient wagons. And now you've just done it again. Blotunga had a vote and interest from others so you get on that wagon.

HypersomniacLive: You can have whatever suspects and related priorities you want. That's not the point. It's the way you've been going about things all Day long (trentonlf, PookaMustard, Korotan, supplementscene, and now SirPrimalform), and how you word/frame things (trentonlf/supplementscene, PookaMustard, Korotan, and now SirPrimalform further down); as I've said, your scum-hunting looks and feels superficial, like you're mimicking your established town-play to appear to be game-solving.

You never directly address the things I question/challenge you about, often going for the "oops" excuse which you then use to appear hard at game-solving and scum-hunting (like with PookaMustard and supplementscene), and straight out ignore my follow up when I lay out how you dance around and dodge my questions.

Take this for example:

HypersomniacLive: It'd seem that you look at Korotan's (re)actions in a vacuum, and that's the good version of it. In context, it comes across as trying to find things to pick on the easiest target, the weakest player (no offence, Korotan) who can't defend themself well. And when attention is drawn to it, you find a reason to back-pedal.

A broader look at your votes, and assuming they are honestly your suspects, I definitely don't like how you frame things. Look at how you prefaced your current vote on SirPrimalform for example [emphasis added]:

HypersomniacLive: What's that supposed to mean? It reads to me like you're trying to create a dichotomy - "it's either SirPrimalform or supplementscene" - and at the same time, shift responsibility about the outcome on the rest of us.

HypersomniacLive: Almost sounds like it bothers you that I'm not more open so you can't adjust your play to get off my radar.
You're a smart person, Lifthrasil, does it really come as a surprise that you're my main suspect at the moment after the way I've questioned you since the start of D2?

People say you've upped your game, and while that may be true, I look at your play, and a few too many things don't add up with you this game. I've wondered if I'm reading too much into them, hence I've asked others about it, but I haven't got much feedback (only trentonlf and somewhat ZFR chimed in).

Vote Lifthrasil

@all, asking again - am I reading too much into all of this?

I prefer Lifthrasil, but willing to go with supplementscene (indeed, dedoporno makes a good point, I think Lifthrasil made a similar one earlier) and SirPrimalform (even though Lifthrasl's voting him), not sure about anyone else even to avoid No-Lynch.

Also, meant to ask @ZFR - is Microfishd on the table for the same reasons as Yesterday, or has anything changed Today?

Lifthrasil: I didn't see that as potential slip of Mafia knowledge and I think I made that clear. As did others. The only one sticking to that was you. And voting for a lurky player is a good fallback solution if there is no other candidate to be found. But blotunga didn't even try to find a scummy player. He just voted for a player, who is less lurky than himself, for being lurky. That is hypocritical and makes the accusation of lurkiness seem like pretense. I encourage you to compare blotunga and Pooka and then tell me who of those two is lurkier. All blotunga did today was defend against you accusation. Pooka at least made an effort.

ZFR: The OP flavour slipped my mind. Though to be honest I would keep my mind open to all possibilities just the same

ZFR: @HSL. Micro:
To be honest, after his posts today, he pings me slightly less of a fake newbie. But still not sure about him enough to keep him on my better-than-no'lynch list.

ZFR: Majority is 6, right? Lift is at L-3.

Lifthrasil: No, that bothers me, like it bothers me in every game we play together, because you attack everyone for every perceived mistake they make without ever revealing anything of yourself. That is especially bothersome when you are scum. You hide behind walls of questions just like flubb hides behind being useless. And yes, I knew I would be your main suspect from the moment on you started questioning me. I always am, independent of the factions involved. But contrary to what you assume I'm not planning to get off your radar. Experience taught me, that that is impossible. So I decided even before the game started not to be bothered by your inquisition this time. I just play the game in my way and try to find scum in my way without worrying about pleasing you. That makes the game more fun than double checking every post wondering 'what could HSL take issue at this time'. [...]

Lifthrasil: [...] After all you started the game in the same way: out of all players you picked the only one who already had a (random) vote on him.

dedoporno: Hm. Would you check your question to make sure you asked what you intended to ask as I don't see what's unclear in this particular setup. Anyway, I meant that in the line of "a guilty conscience needs no accuser" (is that the correct idiom for this? It's worded a bit different in my own language) meaning that he knew what he/they had done so he was already looking for it subconsciously. [...]

dedoporno: [...] And that automatically means it can only happen under the exact same circumstances? Also, this is no accusation at all. It's a concern. [...]

dedoporno: [...] What are your thoughts and lynch choices then?

blotunga: [...] Ok, the pooka vote is a bit fishing from my side, but I was trying to see reactions to it. You did at least react, though not the way I expected. [...]

blotunga: [...] I will try to be more active a bit later if we start to hear from others too.