@microfishd: scene is like a pitbull in other games too. He fixates at something and doesn't lets go. I actually thought he was joking with the shoot post way back as he had no real arguments to back it up at that point.

So a couple of reads. Liftrasil aside from his vote on me has been very none commital all game long. I get a feeling that he doesn't want to offend anyone. People have talked about SPF not posting, which he hasn't but Liftrasil is almost equally withdrawn with a lack of commitment to analysing players other than myself. I realise that contradicts his vote on me but after Day 1 I did look like a safe wagon.

ZFR does seem to be dictating play and the discussion. He could find my play genuinely off or he could be trying to misslynch me. But Mafia do benefit from dictating the discussion and he did this in a Secret Hitler game playing as Fascist.

I find it strange that Trent and Hypersomniaclive haven't voted for me yet after both targeting me in Day 1. Maybe it's too early in the day but I'm quite an easy target now and I'll be even easier at 4-0. But they haven't voted at all and it's early in the Day so nothing really in that

Blotunga would have an excuse if he made a genuine slip as Mafia. So while he has an explanation, that doesn't mean it's a truthful one. I agree that the analysis of Blotunga and my reaction to it has exceeded anything fruitful at this stage.

I wrote my final Day 1 post before seeing Joe's last post. Regardless of a wagons alignment I theorise Mafia will hop on the wagon around the 4 while 6 positions to go with the group. They know it's the likely wagon that ships. If it's Town they get a misslynch and if it's Mafia they get valuable distancing. It seemed unlikely Fran was Mafia anyway, she was just a player who hadn't shown up and was very convenient for anyone to sit on without any type of commitment to scum hunting. But even if she was Mafia, it's arguably more important Mafia players are on her wagon and positions 4-6 or even 7 are less commited positions to make use of that.

It would be interesting to analyse old games retrospectively to see if that theory has legs

Can you answer my question, post 428? I think there is also an older HSL question awaiting answering.

I'm travelling but I should be back tonight and will catch up then.

Im also traveling Saturday. Will check from mobile from time to time.

We see Captain Sapphire from behind, framed by the deep black shadow of a wide tunnel. He turns his head to look back towards us, then sets of. As he disappears into the gloom, the beast scampers into shot, and disappears after him. The shot lingers ominously as tense rhythmic music gently fades in.

2 - The Supplement (Supplementscene) - ZFR, Lifthrasil,
1 - Inkblot (blotunga) - Supplementscene,

0 - Koro-Koro Tank (Korotan) -
0 - M. Moutard (PookaMustard) -
0 - The Hypersomniac (HypersomniacLive) -
0 - The Canton Calf (Trentonlf) -
0 - Serpent Rime (SirPrimalform) -
0 - Micro Fist (Microfishd) -
0 - ThrashSeal (Lifthrasil) -
0 - DeadProng (Dedoporno) -
0 - Zephyr (ZFR) -

Not Voting - blotunga, Dedoporno, HypersomniacLive, PookaMustard, SirPrimalform, Trentonlf, Microfishd, Korotan,

Supplementscene currently holds the most votes at 5 away from majority.

deadline in threeish days

I disagree. The lack of modkill vitually forced us to lynch Fran, meaning our D1 lynch was wasted someone for whom there was nothing to analyse. My fear was that it would give the scum a head start although the lack of nightkill has mitigated that.
What I called for was a modkill assuming that it would give us a chance to pick a more informative target for the lynch. I stand by what I said, you say "Knowing it's worse for town" as if that's a matter of fact rather than opinion. I think you're new, right? In that case I'll take this with a pinch of salt. If you agree with Lift's reasoning then fair enough, but don't just assume that he's right because you trust him more than me.

I try to avoid including food in my posts because of the danger of it going bad. I guess I could include tinned food, I'll try and do that in the future.

Sorry for not posting much. I'm travelling too. Again.

You know, there's a much simpler reason not to claim Doctor unnecessarily. Because it is f*ing stupid to serve an important PR to scum on a silver platter.

He is tunneling hard and immune to a change of mind. But that was his MO in the past as town, more than as scum. As scum he was more lenient and more willing to give in. However, we talked about precisely that after the last game. So now the big WIFOM question is: is Scene tunneling on purpose because he knows he is known to do that as town? Or is he genuinely town and is stuck again in a 'I have figured something out!' loop?

And actually he might partially right. I believe that blotunga made an honest mistake mixing up Saphiros and Zephyr. However, that doesn't make blotunga town. It might as well be a scum error and as such is NAI.

If you check carefully, you will notice that I'm currently voting Scene... so he doesn't exactly get a pass.


I like that entire post and yes, it is good to keep this list in mind, since scum will be on that convenient train. I would guess, by pure speculation, that we have two scum on that list and one scum not on that list, so as to not put all eggs in one basket. Assuming 3 scum.

I am not posting because I am still thinking about any possibility. For me there are no really suspicious people and I am still trying to see what could be a sign. Mayby this following make me look suspicious again and I should better stay silent but what here is said should show more in my opinion, that I am really just eager jumping to conclusion. If I would be just a convinient bandwagon enterer like you said earlier, would I have not been following?
I am now trying to figure out what the train of thought here is. And practicing argumenting.

I'm here and catching up.

The roleblocker. Not the roadblocker. A role-blocker blocks power-roles from performing their action at Night. And Power-roles need to stay hidden, if possible, because otherwise scum will kill them. A power role is much more valuable for Town than a 'Vanilla' townie ('Vanilla' is the general term for Town-aligned players without any powers. Like 'scum' is the general term for the informed, killing minority and 'Town' is what is called Team Heroes in this game)

2. Yes, scum usually has a Night-Kill. Which means they designate a player at night whom they try to kill. Usually they also have to select one player out of their own team who performs the kill. If that designated killer is blocked or if the target is in any way protected, the Night-Kill doesn't work. A 'Serial Killer' works in the same way, only that he doesn't have any buddies to chat with and usually his goal is to kill everyone.

You should read the rules of the game again and also the summary of the most common roles:

Here, in the first post, are a few helpful links: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_administration_and_general_discussion_1/page1

And this one describes the 'normal' roles, https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_administration_and_general_discussion_1/page1
but keep in mind that Joe will have made some modifications. Still it would be a helpful base if you know what we all are talking about when we talk about roles and game mechanics.

I'm not travelling, but I have guests, so my availability tomorrow looks on the iffy side.


Is that Saturday-Sunday-Monday or Sunday-Monday-Tuesday?

Also have a request - could you, please, include the flip for each unmasked player in the OP?
A link to the relevant post for easy access would be nice as well, but I'll settle for just the flip details if it's too much trouble.

Cheers



OK, I misunderstood how you're tying in his D1 play. It's possible, I'm just not sure how likely it is. blotunga hadn't particularly pinged my scum-dar until you came up with this theory, and while you can easily see supplementscene going for the "dick move" in order to be the "clever scum on the bussing end", I can't say the same for myself; it's one thing him screwing up in his attempts to mimic a/his town-play, and a different one him purposefully playing against his own faction's interest because he feels slighted or is obsessed with having been bussed in a previous game. Perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part, but I don't think I'm ready to go there yet.

And speaking of it, I can't say I've got the impression he feels slighted or that I've noticed him obsess about that bus like you say. I could be wrong, but given that supplementscene was mafia with trentonlf (and bussed by the latter on D2) in the second of the three games he's played in total before this one, I have to ask - how sure are you you're not misremembering, and that it's not some sort of confirmation-bias?

As for: The first thing that came to mind is - because bad habits die hard? If it's town!supplementscene locking hard on blotunga, I can't say it's surprising. And if it's scum!supplementscene, I still wouldn't find it all that surprising, as it'd be in line with him mimicking his town-play.

On a side note, are we sure he did say he's turning over a new leaf on D1, and that it isn't an assumption on our part based on what Lifthrasil shared about that discussion they had after the Discord Secret Hitler game (I've not had the time to do a reread)?


I can't give you a definite answer, as the NK-choice depends on the mafia's team composition (who they are and what their collective experience, skills and prowess is), and how they want to shape the game field for the next Day. In turn, the latter depends on a number of factors, and with no body lying on the floor, we can't even speculate on which ones the mafia team based their choice on, especially this early in the game.

But let me sort of return the question. In an earlier post you said you didn't think you were the NK-target. Yet your theory on blotunga and supplementscene being scum-buddies is based on exactly that. If you can't see yourself being the NK-target, what reason(s) do you think they'd choose you for?

And are you exploring this theory because you've changed your mind about having been the NK-target? Your question to me suggests that you haven't.

Aside from this theory, and the blotunga/supplementscene thing, how do you read the board? Anything/anyone else standing out to you?

Come on, trentonlf, you really think I'd ask you about your alignment? Why would I do that given that nobody would admit to being a Villain?

I'm asking if you're of the "reading OPs and rules is for suckers" school.


Do you think I'm reading too much into the things I've questioned/challenged him about? And what do you think of his reaction to my questioning so far?

This is actually an open question to @all.


Has your initial view on ZFR changed since Yesterday, and why?


Are you going to do anything to move the game forward, and what?



A lot of mods don't make unvoting before casting a vote on someone else a requirement, so long as said new vote abides to the requirements to count as one. Unsurprisingly, our mod's of this school.

As for the blending in - I'm not sure I follow, what do you see trentonlf gaining from having a vote on Fran67 on record, especially after being locked on supplementscene for the last two days of D1?


Could you point out where SirPrimalform told Korotan to ignore the flavour?


The flow and build up of your post suggests that you're (mostly?) focused on SirPrimalform, and your consistency to keep a close eye on someone you suspect since D1, and to try to analyse them speaks in your favour. Still, I want to ask - have you looked at anyone else, and if you have, do you have any other reads?



What's with the "us", as in you included, in this? According to your posts after #85 (not that that one was any sort of actual commitment or original contribution either), you were never caught up with the thread (or at least that's what you said), and even stated that you weren't in a position to make any judgements (post #236).



So in other words, placing a vote eventually makes everything right and fine?

I'm well aware that you're currently voting him. But I've also carefully checked when and how you placed that vote.

Another nice dodge-attempt of my actual question.


@blotunga, while it's expected you'd be on the defence after how you entered D2, and everything that followed, I don't recall also seeing anything in terms of game solving and scum-hunting.

So he's an idiot after all?
Is this new theory (scene deciding to buss blotunga at the start of D2 on his own volition) the one you now choose to go with?


Why would this be a mistake? Unvoting before switching votes isn't required.


Don't keep from participating under the assumption you'll say/do something wrong and that will make you look suspicious. Sooner or later everyone gets suspected by others (Town, mafia or otherwise) for various reasons, regardless of whether these reasons are true or not. Keeping quite and staying back to not attract anyone's attention is among the most anti-town plays there are. Try to scumhunt to the best of your abilities and only worry about suspicion if and when it arrives, not prior.

Any Town power role should be kept secret as long as possible in order for us to be able to gain as much value out of it as possible. As soon as a role gets exposed it's bearer is pretty much as good as dead - either getting killed off immediately or if they are left alive people would eventually start doubting them and may even waste a lynch on them.

After all that was written on the serial killer so far what made you assume there is one after all?

To answer your question - if there are both mafia and a serial killer that would most likely mean each night there would be 2 potential night kills as long as at least one mafia member and the serial killer survive.