I can see why you thought I contradicted myself. I asked in post 313 "who was blocked rather than who did the blocking," which can be read as asking about who was the shooter being blocked. I didn't notice it the first time around in my huge post.

No, I am asking about the intended night kill target specifically. Of course I'm not asking for the shooter, I don't believe Mafia works like that at all.

So that said, onto my actual question. I installed BE, it's working and everything. How do I isolate someone's posts?

I can think of devious reasons for it, just ask me after the game and I'll say what they are. No need to give scum any ideas if it's not the case.

I thought I did. You inquired too much about how the NK could have not happened. To me it seemed as if an inexperienced mafia was trying to figure out how and NK could have been blocked and why.

No. My vote no way puts you even close to lynching.

It's just a playing style. HSL prefers to ask questions but put off voting till the very end; My school of thought is to vote early as soon as I see something suspicious. It's one I've used in all my mafia games. If this were late or close to hammer I wouldn't vote you if there was danger you get lynched prematurely, but since there isn't I don't see a reason not to vote for a player in whose play I found something suspicious.

And yet you use "...should of been..." and "you're explanation" ... Ouch! ;-)


Damn. I totally missed that. I read that as 'who was blocked from doing the night-kill'. Probably because being blocked from being night-killed doesn't exactly make sense. Being killed is not an action.

But now that Pooka confirmed that he meant what you thought he meant, I must ask him:
Why?

Also:
Well, nobody apart from the hypothetical SK themself. Is that the reason why you were sure that there is a SK?


Back to HSL and the question where trent explained why he asked specifically for a roleblocker (replying to Scene twice):

At the top of your screen there are several new check boxes, the only one's I ever have checked are usernames and highlight results. In the new search box you have input the username while the thread is open and it will display only their posts.

Heh.


[emphasis added]

Assuming you actually meant to type that "you", as in you meant to refer to me in relation to the flavour, I honestly can' t follow you here. Like at all. Could you rephrase this part?


Heh. For now.


And... heh for now.


Since you seem to be an avid reader of the Mafia Wiki, I suggest that you read up on the Doctor and Roleblocker roles.
Perhaps then you'll understand why those two quotes from you read contradictory, and we continue from there.


Pre-post edit:

Yeah well, you have to admit that the wording you used is contradictory.


And we're back to the intended NK-target. Since this is what you're interested in, we're back to my initial question - why do you want to know who it was?


You also didn't answer dedoporno's (and my implied) question regarding this:

Could you answer why you need to know?


As in "Mafia" the game or the faction?


By installing AF. That's the script hat adds an enhanced search function to the forum. It should be quite self-explanatory once you've got it installed, but if you have any questions, ask away.

On a side note, not sure I like your preface here, kinda feels like you may be trying to downplay the confusion and contradiction of your wording in previous posts.

Alright, so let's address that.

If I were scum...asking if someone was saved from a NK by a block is pointless. I would already know who my scumbuddies and I have agreed to shoot. The real deal breaker would be the person who did the blocking itself. I seriously doubt they will oust themselves and get the mafia a very tempting target to off. And being in the shoes of that hypothetical doctor...I don't think there is any benefit to coming forth right now. Nothing to justify the risk.

It's the swiftness in which you vote on me more than anything. Though I can now see that it's a playing style.



Figuring out who was saved from the nightkill could tell us something about what the mafia set its sights on.


That is the thing. I don't think the mod would happily announce that a serial killer exists. So my mode of operation is more or less, "assume there is a serial killer unless there is sufficient reason to assume there isn't." Right now, that no night-kill is favorable towards revoking that thought; as they have their own night kill, and I imagine using that power early on would reveal that there is one. We'll probably figure it out for real once we're at the end of the game.



I am not seeing any such check boxes. I have a gut feeling we're not talking about BE here...but rather Adalia Fundamentals - which admittedly I haven't used much. I'd much appreciate a screenshot.

Somebody give me a bump.

No worries here. Still, thank you for the help (and bump).


That's a lot of hehs.

...crap. While editing the post, I put your quote along with dedo because they addressed the same point. I glossed over the part that the "you" in my post specifically refers to Dedo.

I'm saying that Dedo has a point with saying that the SK would count as a villain.


Yes, the wording was, on top of being confusing, contradictory.

I'd like to know who it was on the basis that this would tell us something about the target. This hypothetical target could be a role with some kind of immunity, but the more telling thing I believe is that it would tell us that they were town, as I don't think scum would shoot their own at this point of the game. If you ask everyone who their top targets are, you'd see different answers across the board, with few agreements about who deserves to be lynched. So by knowing this information, we narrow down the list of unknown people. Of course, I don't believe it'll be given on a silver platter.

The game.

The confusion takes up the first two paragraphs. My question about AF is the very last line in my post, and I had to ask it because I wasn't sure how to get the functionality. But you are right, the way I prefaced my question looks like downplaying it.

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I'll be taking the night away from the game. I need that rest, especially with the self-inflicted confusion.

Can't say much atm, as I'm on the run.

1st. Sorry, Trent, to hear that and I hope she fully recovers--swiftly.

2nd. SPF: I'm glad your head is better. Now, if you are truly headache free, I hope you catch up totally (and say so clearly), otherwise it looks like an excuse to be vague and not give any info, ergo what I perceive as scummy.

3rd. Blotunga, I'm sorry you have the flu and that the tyke is sick. I hope you both recover soon. Stay Hydrated!

4th.
The Zephyr is a famous (now-defunct) train. :-D

5th. Scene, I'm sorry for your issues, and hope you can see your kids soon.

6th. https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_forum_mafia_signup_game_57/post1 : " The setup is not-quite-defined yet, but roles available will be restricted in the usual way"

Rereading through (and quoting from) these roles, it is possible that
a) assuming there was a kill-attempt (and I see no reason why there wouldn't be) or
b) the killer could have had a role like:
- <span class="bold">Jailer </span> (... is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target.)

or modifier/qualifier like:

- <span class="bold">Naive </span> (... role is ineffective)
- <span class="bold">Conditional </span> ( ... role depends on one or more condition(s) (like every odd night) to work)

Conversely, the target might have the role of:
- <span class="bold">Commuter </span> (...The Commuter is a role that "leaves Town" each Night, thus making them ineligible to be targeted by Night actions.)
or the qualifier:
- <span class="bold">Bulletproof </span> (...avoids being killed at Night)

The point being, it didn't need to be a doc who stopped the night kill--the mafia-member might not have been able to work, or a role or qualifier -- belonging to them or to the intended victim -- stopped the attempt.

I have a question. I'm assuming you haven't read blotunga's zephyr/safiros explanation when you wrote this but...

Did you seriously assume blotunga would out himself like this if he were scum? Like... seriously?

Could you, please, let it go already? I'm starting to wonder if you aren't keeping this thing alive on purpose.


And you must ask them because... clearly nobody asked them already?


Indeed this explains why he asked specifically about the Roleblocker. However, it still doesn't explain why he discounted other possibilities. Which is what I asked you to point me to. And yet you were satisfied, and didn't follow up, even though you asked him more or less the same thing I did.



[emphasis added]

Elaborate?


Well, perhaps he wouldn't happily announce it, but... heh.


It is, isn't it?


I asked blotunga the same question more or less, and am awaiting his answer. While I agree that the mafia wouldn't shoot their own, why would the intended NK-target, i.e. with no flip, tell us that they are town?


And I'm also off to bed now.

Yes, you're right that there are many methods on preventing NK. Do note though that some of the roles you mentioned are unusual or even exotic (e.g. I don't think I've ever come across a Naive Night-killer), but then again Joe is not above including them.

Hence the questions to trent on why he focused on a blocker, and to scene on why he focused on a doctor.

By the way however, trying to fish out roles is generally not beneficial to town. So... be careful that you don't do it.

Also maybe of note, we already had a naive modifier; I do not know if Joe is in the habit of applying the same modifier to multiple people, or if he uses a randomizer to decide who gets what. Not knowing one way or another, we must assume that he might have done so.