ZFR isn't mentioned...

You do?

That's a nice catch on the three villains bit. To be honest I rarely read flavor and even when I do I mostly skim through it but I guess sometimes it's not just fluff after all. Either way, why would you assume a serial killer on top of the three villains mentioned? A serial killer would definitely count as a villain, no? I just don't understand what fuels your fascination with the SK straight from the beginning of the game.

Why do you consider only these two cases for the absence of a NK?


That may be, but it doesn't answer Lifthrasil's question.


[emphasis added]

Believing one has found scum, and knowing for a fact they did are two different things, aren't they? How sure can you be this early in the game that the absence of a NK was due to a successful block, more so in this setup?



Why do you assume that the absent NK means that a Doctor was successful with their Night-action?


Heh.


Heh.



You question trentonlf, but give a pass to supplementscene for making similar assumptions. Why is that?


Not sure I follow your thought process. Elaborate?

Pre-post edit: While after refreshing the thread, PookaMustard seems to contradict themself, I'd still like an answer; you seem to be reading this very differently from me.



Do you think the odds are (very?) low, and if so, why is that?


dedoporno already asked a question regarding this, but still - this is the second time you bring up a SK. Is there a particular reason you seem rather preoccupied with the existence of one?


The use of the term "blocked" is unusual (the player targeted for the NK isn't being "blocked" from getting killed, they're being saved). Does this mean that you too assume the lack of a NK is the work of a Roleblocker? If so, why?

Also, could you elaborate on your interest in knowing who was saved?


And this reads contrary to what you said in your post #288 [emphasis added]:

Now I wonder, what is it that your really want to know? Who the intended NK-target was, or who set out to commit the killing?


Interesting.

*refreshes thread*

And... dedoporno beat me to it.


The forum software doesn't allow self-quoting. But if you're not averse to using userscripts (and you saying you're going to ISO some players suggests you're not), you should install BE which, among a good chunk of other improvements to the forum, allows you to do it.



Is this code talk to say you're still not caught up with the thread?



Best wishes both of you have a swift recovery. If there's a bug going about, sometimes it's best to keep your kid at home to protect them from catch it.


Others have already expressed my thoughts on the flavour part, so here's a question about something else - while I too am confident that the mafia wouldn't target their own, I find it interesting that you immediately draw the conclusion that ZFR being the NK target, as you seem to think, makes him automatically town. Why is that?

Good question. Why? Could be a newbie Pooka, but I wonder if it isn't scum trying to figure out why they failed.

I don't like how Pooka began D2.

Vote Pooka

Ok, for some reason I had the impression that safiros is zfr. My bad. Fever doesn't seems to help i think.

Why? If the protective or blocking power isn't limited number of shots, it would be in the interest of town to use it every night and hope to get lucky. There are several roles that can prevent kills in several different ways. I suggest you read about the most common roles here: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Roles_Main_Page


Heh. Good point. I guess I am too used to Scene seeing only an incomplete picture, so the fact that he 'missed' all possibilities beyond the Doctor didn't strike me as odd. Conversely, trent is an experienced player. So him focusing on only one possible role seemed a bit uncommon. But he explained it.

The second point was just a feeling. I had the impression that the "Oh, I wonder who was blocked." implied "It wasn't me!" - and I wondered if that implication was intended. So LAMIST is perhaps not the best abbreviation here. Perhaps I should have used LAMIWM (Look at me, it wasn't me!)


@Scene: HSL raises a good point here. Why were you so sure that the missing NK was a Doctor's doing?

Zephyr in some languages is the same as sapphire. Means the same stone. So when I saw Safiros, I connected to ZFR, I'm used to Joe being just joe.

I should have known you would read into it. :P

It just means I'm still not feeling great. I have however gone two whole days without a headache!

That's an interesting lingual factoid! I've just been googling it and it doesn't appear they share etymology (zephyr is ultimately Greek, while sapphire is of Semitic origin). I guess in some languages they have converged, like isle and island in English.

Really, I always though zephyr is a sort of breeze. Weird.

So I was right about you Blotunga? You're Mafia? Or Doctor? That's the only 2 ways you could know the identity of the potential victim. Joe didn't mention ZFR unless I seriously missed something

He'd revealed his daughter's illness in another game, which I offered my sympathy for. This was a bit different in that he was telling me off after I proved to him I hadn't spent anytime on another online activity last week much the same way as this game. It wasn't necessary and I always get irritated with 'could care less', it's mathematically incorrect as much as it's gramatically incorrect. Usually I post a care meter as a joke. I can agree I was being flippant but I really didn't mean to make light of his plight.

I could post the troubles in my life too. It's tragic Trent's daughter is sick and I truly hope she fully recovers. I can't see my children, because my ex won't let me and I was my children's main carer for years. I've been homeless and in jail in the last 12 months. Everyone has problems

And I kept replying to him because A) He was being rude and ordering me what to do and I wasn't having that and B) He did send me a friend request, I'm not lying C) It was funny joking about with him

To be honest a protective role did not even come to mind when I saw no NK. I saw no NK and thought exactly what I posted, scum was either blocked or chose not to do a NK and if they were blocked then we get to lynch scum today.

No I was not blocked last night. Sorry Lift I missed that question from you.

If someone has the ability to block a player there's no way to know for sure this early if they blocked scum or not, but I think the chances are good if that role was in play for town that scum was blocked if there's no NK.. Again, I don't want to talk about any protective roles.

I don't know, I assume that nobody gets told that there is a SK; only that there are town and scum. A quick reading of the wiki doesn't say if their existence is under wraps or it gets announced. That said, you do say something about the flavor. I'd assumed he would be a special kind of villain in the movie and only revealed it after the three villains.

Because if the absence of a nightkill is based on a doctor protecting a player, then both the mafia and the doctor together agreed on...only one target, the way I'm reading it.


I don't know. I thought at first that the mafia went for a nightkill but were stopped by a doctor, but then I got told there could've been no nightkill at all, and talk of protections. It seems the way I understand it, there's three scenarios.

1. No nightkill was agreed on
2. A nightkill was agreed on, but a doctor blocked it
3. A nightkill was agreed on, but the target had a special action of sorts

I did remember that in the role PM, you are told what actions you can do in the Action Phase. I guess that answers the question I raised in point #3 and helps me set my mind straight:

Also, I don't see how the posts contradict each other. They both read the same to me: if there was a nightkill, then who was blocked from getting it?

The intended nightkill target.


That explains everything. I seriously need Barefoot Essentials, been a while since I last used it, this will be a good opportunity.


I don't know. You're too eager to get me lynched. The HSL, Dedo and Lift were questioning me, and something I did notice is that not one of them had voted to lynch me. You don't like how I began Day 2. It would help if you can say why that is so.

While I'm at it. Are there other targets on your mind? You were willing to go with scene, SPF, Micro or me (post #230). What do you think of those?

He did? Where? Could you point out or better quote where he did?
Because all I'm seeing is him asking if anyone blocked another player, and then that anyone with such information should always come forward, even in the case they only believed they found scum. I don't see him explaining why he discounted other possibilities for the absent NK anywhere in his posts. Which I pointed out, and hence asked again.


Except that's not what their wording said. I quote again [emphasis added]:

PookaMustard's saying here that they're wondering who was the NK-target (who was spared death thanks to someone blocking his killer). He later appears to contradict themself indeed referring to who was blocked, but at the time you quoted and questioned him, he hadn't done that yet.

The reason I asked you is because I wonder - did you misread/misunderstand their comment, or was it just an opportune chance to point something out and call them LAMIST (or LAMIWM, as you said now), and thus look like you're doing some decent scum-hunting?

That's without factoring in that this was now the third time I've quoted this bit in my two posts from Today (the first two in the very post you quote-replied to just now), but on top of giving supplementscene a pass earlier. Should I assume that you're not reading the thread carefully?


As for supplementscene - yes, I know I made a good point, hence why I already questioned him (did you miss that too?), but I can't help notice the difference in your wording, and by extension tone [emphasis added]:

Hmm, hmm, hmm...



While this may explain why you thought ZFR was mentioned in the flavour, it doesn't answer my question. Which was - why ZFR having been the NK-target makes him immediately town in your eyes?



I'm glad to hear that, so let me rephrase my question - does this mean that you caught up with the thread during these two headache-free days?



I hope you're done with replying to non-game related things, and focus on answering questions you've been asked that pertain to the actual game. Like my question to you in post #318. Because I see you're again talking about the Doctor role in relation to the missing NK.

This is the second time you mention it. Are there any reasons mafia would not do an NK. The only one I can think of is if all 3 have super roles they'd rather do instead, but I just don't see them giving up NK.