(Numbers added by me for reference)
1. Why scary? What is scary about not losing one of us at night? That is a very strange remark!

2. Why are you so sure that there are exactly 3 scum in this game?

3. Well, of course that is the real question, which a roleblocker, if one exists could answer. But the way you stress that question 'who was blocked' looks a bit LAMIST to me. Was it perhaps yourself who was blocked?

Also: we don't know if it was a block or some protection.

Concerning on whether a hypothetical blocker should reveal himself I'm actually with ZFR: not yet. Yes, if you have found scum, you should try to get that scum lynched. But perhaps you manage to do that without straight-out revealing yourself. Only if that doesn't work and the Day is already half over, reveal yourself with your findings from the Night. Same goes for hypothetical cops or other investigators. I used to think it would be best to reveal successful night-reads right away. But actually if you can get a certified scum lynched without losing a PR to the next NK, that would be better.

But of course, if the lynch-directing doesn't work, reveal what you found. Don't take your knowledge with you into the Night. Otherwise it might be lost.

Well, your only reply to a post where someone revealed that his daughter is fighting against cancer was nitpicking. Only for the sake of nitpicking - since you normally don't care about grammar. (As evidenced by the errors you make yourself). That was very low and I can understand that trent is upset. I think everyone would be in that situation. So do as he asks, just drop it and don't talk to him about anything outside the game. OK?

Guys, please get back to the game. I'm sorry for trent and scene probably should've left him alone.
Alas I'm at home with my sick little one and I'm also coming down with the flu so my free time is going fast down towards zero between babysitting and being a zombie.

I'm back!

I'm feeling 40%!

Everything's C-ok!

Fit as a flugelhorn.

I’m sorry to hear that, I hope you and the little get to feeling better soon!

It's not just that. There is also the fact that you get no wagons to analyse if you reveal straight away. If a cop jumps straight away that X is scum, everyone just votes him. If you wait till, for example, 48 hrs before deadline, by this time Y could be at L-3 and Z at L-2. Even if it's X who ends up dead, Y's and Z's wagons could give town extra info.

Oh crumbs, what have I come back to?

I agree with ZFR, there's no reason for a potential blocker to immediately out themselves.

Thanks. It's because of Kindergarten and stupid people bringing their sick kids there.

Anyway back to the game. It seems from Joe's description that ZFR was the kill target.
[i]While Safiros leads a salute to the fallen Saviour there is a scuffle. A flurry of activity - a shadowed blur passes across the camera.
The Saviours look about each other nervously. From the centre of a circle, the camera tracks over faces. Wary, they turn to one another. In silence the camera shows everyone's face then lifts to Safiros looking down from above. She gives a long, discerning stare as tense music builds, before the scene cuts away. [/i]
This is how I interpret the above that someone tried to assassinate zfr but he (or someone else) saved him(self). Now ofc it wouldn't be in anyone's advantage for zfr to admit that he's doctor or something.
@zfr: who would want you dead? I don't want to go back too many pages since you already know which were your votes/arguments and I'm pretty down on concentration.
The good news is that we at least know that zfr is town, as I'm positive the scum wouldn't target their own.

That's a pretty big leap you just made there. I don't believe Joe would actively hint at the identity of anyone in the flavour so I assume the blur is simply to explain why we didn't see exactly what happened. It's pretty weird that you assume ZFR to be the target rather than the killer or the reason for the lack of kill.
There's nothing to suggest the blur is anything to do with ZFR in any capacity.

Then why was Zfr the only one mentioned? It just doesn't makes sense. When I was playing Mafia, 20 years back we didn't had so many roles, I don't think we even had a doctor, but it's strange that only ZFR was mentioned.

i don't think Joe would provide us with more info, would you joe? Was your text something generic or did someone tried to kill zfr?

I'm here and catching up.

I was wrong about Fran - their behavior wasn't because of nefarious reasons after all, but I stand by my reasoning. Anyway, we're granted a free pass which is nice.

I assume you are assuming 3 scum? Also, why are you even considering SK at this point? Where does this come from, especially when there are no night kills at all?


I agree with ZFR that even if there is a role-blocker who blocked someone they shouldn't come out straight away. What if they blocked another townie while the NK was prevented by a doctor, some other role or wasn't performed at all? The targeted townie would probably get lynched or will be forced to spill even more information. The scum will be allowed a free kill (they can even choose to take down the role blocker or someone else while leaving the RB for the next day lynch since they will be even more suspect). All in all, the chance of outing scum vs the risk of wrongfully accusing a townie and/or exposing more information isn't worth it just yet in my opinion (maybe not even Today).


Tell me about it... I hope all of you get well very soon.


Agreed with Trent and SPF. Flavor wouldn't and should't reveal/affect the actual game (right, Krypsyn :P). Also, ZFR isn't mentioned. His character is called Zephyr, not Safiros (which is Joe's narrator character).

1. It's scary not because we didn't lose one of us at night, but because (if it's a block) it's worked on Night 1. I would suspect these kinds of powers to be used on later Nights when there are less of us around.

2. I've read somewhere that scum make up 25% of Mafia players in a game. Add to that that in the flavor intro, three villains are mentioned, and this is said to be the end of the movie, judging by the rewinding that happens afterwards. (Emphasis mine)

While clearly not an indication that there are precisely three scum, I take it that this is a subtle confirmation that there are three scum at the very least, not counting any hidden serial killers.

3. It's as Trent said. I'd rather know who was blocked rather than who did the blocking, but as you yourself said, there's a lot more to this lack of nightkill than I assume there is. I guess I have to ask a couple questions as a newbie.

I know that there's a role that protects someone from being night-killed, but you mention protections. What are they? I need to know what scenarios can make this kill-less night happen.

FIRST HALF OF MY POST, GOG forums aren't being helpful to me recently. Somebody, please bump.

I'm Zephyr. Saphiros is the leader.

Here's the SECOND HALF OF MY POST. Thanks ZFR.

See my response to Lift's point #2 above. About the serial killer, I had assumed since the beginning that there was one. I'm unsure about it now as you bring up a good point, but I am wondering if they were laying low, assuming there was one? I don't think it makes sense when either party didn't go for a kill, unless a block was involved?


Seconded here. Please leave trent alone. You're making yourself look bad with your continued replies to trent. I respect both of you and wish you the best (especially your daughter, trent), but seriously, you're not doing yourself any favors with how you're treating him, scene. I won't ask you to apologize, that will have to come from a genuine desire to make things better, but I will ask you to respect trent's wishes and not talk to him about anything outside of the game.