Do you have any specific examples of "weird things" or is this just a gut feeling?

I forgot about that list to be honest. I just wanted to give an example of a NK failing due to other reason than Blocker, and bus driver came to mind. Forgot it's not on Joe's list.

Reading the flavor the first time I gathered something like Safiros avoided the shadowed blur. That's where my stupid assumption started from.

No, I don't speak Hungarian. But he linked a proof that that word at least exists and is close to Zephyr. And if you assume that he really thought that Safiros refers to ZFR, the 'flurry of activity' in his background could mean that there was something going on behind him. For example some kill attempt that was somehow prevented.

So, the conclusion is not that strange. What is strange, however, is that blotunga assumed that Joe would give away so much in the flavour. A mod should never help any side and handing out free information would help Town. So yes, even with the explanation blotunga's assumtion is strange. I just didn't get the impression that it was scum-strange, since someone who actually knows who the NK target was would not give that knowledge away.

Because Korotan was so eager to follow. But maybe he really is only following other's reasoning because he is new and not because he is scum. What do you think?

Where do you see a hint on the existence of a third faction in the OP? The OP mentions 'an insurgent force' not 'insurgent forces'. To me the flavour does not imply a third faction. But you're the second one who seems to assume that there is. After Pooka assuming that there is a SK. That leads me to wonder: did I miss something in the OP? Or do you two know something that us others don't know?

@HSL: are there other factions than town and mafia? I'm unfamiliar with the post 2000 rules.

@Lift: since it's my first mafia game in 20 years, I have no idea how much Joe can and will give away in this postings. I haven't even realized it was a flavor. Though I'm sure the blur meant some sort of failed attempt.
"A flurry of activity - a shadowed blur passes across the camera. "

Funny learning about what happened in past Mafia games. This makes them more fun to me. And I can see what you mean about the extra knowledge bit. But while partly being in JMich's boots, my concern was not born out of me knowing the existence of a SK. Long story short, I viewed the flash tutorial for Mafia, where it mentioned the serial killer. That's where's my preoccupation with the existence of one comes from. And I can see why you're very fixated on that - as I would be with whatever way ends up being my death in this game. Highly likely to be sloppiness.

So basically, I don't know how to approach this bit that preoccupation with a role like that = knowing about it, but for me, it's just that, a preoccupation. In addition, if I knew about the serial killer and was supposed to be his bodyguard, shouldn't I keep my mouth shut? After all, I'd be harming my own win condition by just bringing up the existence of one. I'd rather Town and Mafia remain blissfully unaware.

Now which bit of my post were you getting that subtext from?

Or they all are but some are not so innocent in nature.

That was probably the first thing that felt off. I've said a few times (and during a few games) that usually lift is citing my own thoughts, sometimes with alarming similarity. This wasn't one of those times. Felt like jumping the gun a bit too swiftly.


To be honest, I'm not sure, so I'll go with gut feeling. There's probably some bits here and there that I didn't took the effort of remembering but they stacked up to make the air a bit heavier (in some cases these aren't even coming from you but from someone else and when there's smoke, you know). But I'll probably get off my ass in the next 1-2 days and do some rereading and I'll get back to you on that.


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What is that supposed to mean?

I'm not saying it's exactly like that, it may be any other variation resulting in the same knowledge. Anyway, slips do happen even to experienced players so nothing is to be ruled out just because the suspected player says "Nah man, it's cool. Trust me ;)".

But the SK related players should still get the 411? Just kidding :)

Okay. Please tell me how is knowing this hypothetical blocked NK target is knowledge the mafia seeks? I am not asking for that target's role, or who did the shooting of the target and failed. Just the NK target. The knowledge of the hypothetical NK target is something the mafia already knows about.

Also, while your question and observation has merits, does it matter how I answer? If I get unmasked, Joe will be saying that I am of the Heroes.

That is a flaw in my argument that contradicts my focus on the serial killer. I'll have to admit my point about the NK being town would be wrong. Taking that into account, the NK is probably non-mafia - town or a third faction. I'm still of the opinion that mafia wouldn't target mafia at this time in the game, judging by how we're still not decided about our choices for lynching.

About to get them started. Got Tampermonkey installed on Firefox for mobile, as well as Adalia and Barefoot. Despite the weird setup, it is highly rewarding as I am using my phone more than my computer now. I'll start with SirPrimalform.

Alright. So this is harder than I thought, especially if I am willing to go as post by poat as possible. And this is only with SPF, whose posts are short and only recently have they been more frequent. I'll be in for a ride when say, I focus on scene.

However, I did notice something about early Day 1. Here are my notes. Self-note: Don't write ISO-ing notes entirely on mobile again.

Mayby I see more in the shadows then they are but this this is what made me think about it we are not alone:
This Shadow Blur makes me as nervous as the Villains in our mid.

You really shouldn't focus on the flavour that much.

If you disregard Joe's text, is there anything that struck you from any of today's players' posts?

And now I realized I got Bus Driver confused with Commuter.

Take Korotan off the block as potential scum (I honestly don't think he is, pretty sure he is Town), who would you suspect if not him. Why?




There is also Neutral roles that are possible in a game. Serial Killer and Survivor are two real common ones. Neutral roles are very hard to play.




What are your thoughts on Scene? Lift? Pooka?



So after your ISO of SPF what did you think, Scum or Town? Why? Have you ISO'd anyone else yet? If not who do you plan to do next?



If I read everything you wrote correctly you are saying that you had been studying the game thread and came to the conclusion that blotunga was scum because of his remark about ZFR, and then when you got to the point of posting this Supplementscene had already posted the same thought and it made you upset because you didn't get a chance to post it first and now you would look like you were jumping on blotunga's wagon for reasons Supplementscene gave instead of your own?

Just an FYI any posts by the mod should not contain things that are not common knowledge to every player, and whoever the target was at night would not be common knowledge.

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I've got two people in mind that I see as possible scum, wanting to see some more posts from them before I place my vote.

Scene... this is going to be a long post for mobile. Here goes.

Let me address the blotunga issue first since scene is making an accusation here.

I totally believe blotunga on the zephir/saphire issue. Aside from the link provided, it makes sense the way his post was worded. He really believed Joe mentioned me.

But... the fact that his explanation is true doesn't completely exonerate him. There is still the question why was the connection made. It is *plausible* it was made because he did know something about the targetting. Which is why subcontiously he made the zephyr connection. E.g. a person who's hungry with only food on his mind might misread "beard" as "bread". So did blotunga make the mistake of zephyr because he was expecting to see my name there in the first place? The is some plausibility there. Is it probable though? I think not, but more on that later...

Whether it really did happen or not, if you believe the above is true, you have to believe that blotunga *did* think he saw Joe mentioning me in his text. scene however does *not* believe it. He seriously thinks blotunga "slipped" and said I was targeted out of the blue and for no reason, invented a fake zephir/sephir excuse and finally when directly asked wherher he was scum or doctor, he "panicked" and didnt claim doc.

That's the most ludicrous theory ever...
I can't believe anyone would think another player so stupid to make such mistakes.

But scene... he could be truly believing he uncovered the slip of the century.
Or he could be mafia thinking he's cleverly implicating town!blotunga.

I'm a bit torn...

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Regarding how probable it is blotunga knows I was targetted:
I think very low. Because I highly doubt anyone protected me; I didnt make particularly good plays nor hint at a power role. I also doubt someone thought it necessary to block blotunga in particular. So if it was true it would have to be blotunga on scum team and someine else sent and blocked... ? Meh...

Tbc

Lift...


Not much new since yesterday. His vote on Koro while ignoring scene slightly raised an eyebrow, but not that much.


Pooka... I already wrote on him and am in fact voting him. Anything else you want to know?