"Royal Trap" made me snort water up my nose when I read it, because "trap" is slang in part of the anime community for male characters who look like girls.

With a title like that, I'm afraid the actual game could only be a let-down.

Ugh......I think it's more likely that the "trap" part refers to something in the plot rather than any of the characters.

Yeah, that was my point. The German society and laws are very open to sexual content. But not the videogamers, they have the US mindset.

You German people are odd.

You're obviously not talking to the gamers I am talking to.

You think? No I am really talking to exactly the same people as you!

Well, I have never seen a single German gamer object to sex in games, but not to violence.

I know lots of gamers who object to neither.

I know some gamers who object to sex in games, but they typically also object to violence.

There's also a subgroup of (mostly female) gamers who don't object to sex in general, but do object to the common crude ways of implementing it.

In short, I can't find any evidence for your claim in the gaming communities I have access to.

Obviously I was not talking about your friends , but the mainstream that dismisses games around sexual content, laughs them off, gives bad reviews (check Biing! 2) , bans people from forums for posting screenshots with boobs even though nothing in the forum rules forbids it, but they all love blood and gore. They are no different than the americans they laugh about.

Just as an aside, Mangagamer is going to sell the voiced version of Kara no Shoujo in a DRM-free physical copy sometime in the future :)

This gave me an idea about Lion King game with this kind of genre. Imagine managing your pride while hunting for survival and managing the population balance in the land. Mating to ensure new cubs for future survival and of course avoiding possible attack from Hyenas or You new Lions from outside the pride and backstabbing family member.

I wasn't talking about "friends" either, but rather large communities. I do not know what you mean by "mainstream". I hope you don't mean games magazines, since that would make a particularly bad argument, as no gamer takes them seriously any more. There's a reason why they are dying.

"Biing 2" was an extremely bad game, basically a ripoff of the first game with broken mechanics, simplified gameplay, and more and bigger boobs in a hapless attempt to compensate. It fully deserved the bad ratings, and it's a good example for how sex should _not_ be implemented in a game. Weirdly enough, gamers were still interested in it, which makes it a pretty good counterexample against your own argument.

I'm sorry. I don't want to fight with you over things you apparently believe, but I just don't see any evidence for the things you claim.

Perfect, you took my invitation and scored a massive own goal. Biing 2 is actually a really good game, it is a complex business sim that expands on the high rated first part in all aspects. The only thing it did wrong is also expand on the boobies part. And thats why people like you and the magazines dismissed it. One creator (the guy who made Oil Imperium and Fate: Gates of Dawn) was active in the games community till his death and even (well fitting for this thread) made an anime version available to the fans.
I regularly play Biing 2, as well as the first part, and there is an active community, a very tiny one. And this is no counterexample, it is exactly what I was talking about. The mainstream of german videogamers ridicules games with lots of sex content, but loves blood and gore.

I dont see any evidence for the claim that "no gamer takes games magazines seriously any more", but I do not want to fight over things you apparently believe.

Sounds like what you have a problem with is well.... human culture in general? I think you'll find that right back to the middle-ages depictions of war/violence are glorified and sexual content thought of as low-brow. I'm pretty sure that if you asked anyone what they would be more comfortable watching, fictional depictions of violence or sex, it would be violence, especially so if they watch it in the pretense of other people. I mean, I'm pretty sure if you watched a movie with friends and a sex scene happened, you would feel awkward uncomfortable, but if a fight scene with people getting killed with guns and explosives happened, you would not feel uncomfortable. This applies to games or any media for that matter.

I don't really have anything in this discussion, only to say that I find this trend of criticizing the contradiction or hypocrisy of allowing violence but criticizing sexuality, to be very weird. You know very well why this exists, it's a cultural thing that's been engrained in the human psyche for hundreds of years.

It would be like going out into public completely stark naked and then being angry for being arrested on public obscenity charges.

From a brief attempt at researching Biing! 2, it looks like the game is only in German, and that the anime-version was a personal project of Olaf. Am I correct in assuming that there is no English version?

Look, you can obviously believe what you want. I can tell you that the sales figures don't support your claims at all - in fact, games about sex sold well in Germany, and still sell well compared to other games from their time, _despite_ their gameplay typically being bad (and even despite their sex aspect being not particularly well done). Obviously, you don't have to believe me, and I doubt that anything could convince you.

But go to the German Amazon site, look at the games sold by CDV Entertainment (who holds the rights to most of the classic sex-based franchises), and sort them for popularity. In a list of currently 236 games, you'll find "Lula 3d" on position 13, "Time Warp - an erotic time travel story" on #18, "7 sins" (advertised as having "hot bed acrobatics") on #20, "Wet - The Sexy Empire" on #39, "Wet Attack" on #52, and so on. Horrible games like "Ibiza Babewatch" or "Tania's Big Boob Quest" are more popular than "Galactic Civilizations".

Now, you could say that this comparison is not "mainstream" enough, since all those games are rather old. Granted. The problem here is that comparisons between e.g. "Lula" games from around 2000 and shooters like Crysis 3 wouldn't be exactly fair either. But let's take a look at "mainstream" - like, the (sadly) most popular German newspaper, that's as mainstream as it gets. If you look at their video game section, you'll of course see the currently popular products (GTA V, Beyond), and under "Screenshots" you see - featured, because they are popular - a slide show called: "Sex and eroticism: characters in video games shed their clothes". Go a bit back in time, and you'll see an equally popular slideshow called Pixel Love - Sex and eroticism in video games. Why do they keep posting these pictures prominently in their computer games section for years? Because it's popular.

But yeah, continue to believe what you want to believe. I can't stop you from building your own dream world in which German gamers somehow have no interest in sexual content while the rest of society has. ;)

Anyway. Have we gone enough off topic now? ;)