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HijacK: Show me when I attacked RWarehall or Amonkey in spite of them disagreeing with me.
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Krypsyn: Let me see...

In response to RWarehall in post 254:

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HijacK: Again, I stated a possibility. Your ignorance to saying I posted a fact is saddening. Nonetheless, I am actually happy I get voted because in the end I will be right and you shall stand corrected.
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Krypsyn: As for amok, you are correct that I can't find anything negative from you directed solely towards him. However, you have consistently implied that you are the only one who is capable of hunting scum. This also implies that everyone, including amok, is incapable of hunting scum.

Anyway, this isn't really relevant. The main point of my post was to point out that you speak of cooperation, but you seem to be the least cooperative person here. When people ask you a question you merely say "I already said that, go reread my posts", or something similar. Usually, the issues people are questioning you about were unclear, vague, or nonexistent in your previous posts, and that is why people were asking you about it in the first place. Whether this is scummy misdirection or is just anti-town play is up for debate. What I don't think is up for debate is whether or not you have been cooperative, at least by most people's definition of the word.
If that's an attack, then I'm wondering if you classify the post in which I voted for you as assault.

Also, you really need to reread my posts, because it was not me who was talking about cooperation, it was mrkgnao.
I am going to say something that will not be popular and goes against the consensus, which is dangerous in this game. Nevertheless...

As we are approaching the end of day 2, I have noticed what may be a pattern in Sage's behaviour.
On day 1, she was the last person to cast a first vote (and she did it when the SW bandwagon what all but a given).
If we ignore popperik and GDW, who have gone into "stealth" mode under the probably reasoanble assumption this is the best way to survive the oh-so-suicidal HijacK, she is again the last person to cast a first vote.
I fiind this pattern troubling.

Reading her posts, I also worry about how early she put her focus on popperik, well before anyone else, to my mind well before there was anything to focus on (i.e. before the famous "GDW and Hijack are villagers").
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HijacK: Defensive? BUT PLEASE! Commit to the last vote and see for yourselves.
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Sage103082: I knew you would jump on that. That it is my opinion and my opinion only. As it is late I did not go into graphic details on anyone.

Why are you hell bent on everyone voting you to be killed? I do not understand why, do you want out of the game? Once you are killed you are done. If you are a villager we are one less and have less of a chance to out the wolves. If you are a wolf , like someone else said, you are the most suicidal wolf ever.
I'm actually doing the village a favor. Too much suspicion around me, but if I am eliminated and people finally see that I'm a villager, maybe, just maybe they'll have one of those "Oh shit! My #1 suspect was a villager. I need to re-analyse everything." moments and people would finally catch a werewolf instead of more villagers. Truth be told, I don't even know why I'm doing this, but the logic behind the plan is simple. If the wolves don't play it safely, there will be 2 villagers eliminated next, but the suspicion ring will get really small. Hopefully one of them will do something really stupid, or will not given that he reads this post, either way you will know when someone is a wolf because then there won't be as much lack of direction.
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trentonlf: Maybe not the best idea since we need to not have a curse set upon us, but
Yes, it is not the best idea. The absolute worst thing town can do right now is end the Day without a lynch. What we would end up doing is just giving the wolves a free kill at Night, with no new concrete information on Day 3. Sure, we can analyze the nightkill, but that is an exercise in WIFOM at best. We need a lynchwagon, with votes, to analyze so we know for certain who wanted what and why.

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HijacK: If that's an attack, then I'm wondering if you classify the post in which I voted for you as assault.
Calling someone ignorant isn't usually the best form of diplomacy.

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HijacK: Also, you really need to reread my posts, because it was not me who was talking about cooperation, it was mrkgnao.
I must have imagined your post 365 then. Maybe you need to reread your own posts...
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mrkgnao: As we are approaching the end of day 2, I have noticed what may be a pattern in Sage's behaviour.
On day 1, she was the last person to cast a first vote (and she did it when the SW bandwagon what all but a given).
If we ignore popperik and GDW, who have gone into "stealth" mode under the probably reasoanble assumption this is the best way to survive the oh-so-suicidal HijacK, she is again the last person to cast a first vote.
I fiind this pattern troubling.
I wanted to see and read everything before I cast my vote on day one. I made a mistake. A villager died. I do not want that to happen again. I also do not want to jump on any bandwagon because everyone else is on it. I want to make sure I have my thoughts and feeling in a row before I cast my vote. I could have voted popperick as soon as day one began but I wanted more information, I wanted everyone's opinions and thoughts on everyone, not just him. I will also not be changing my "vote pattern" I am not going to jump to any conclusion with out evidence.

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mrkgnao: Reading her posts, I also worry about how early she put her focus on popperik, well before anyone else, to my mind well before there was anything to focus on (i.e. before the famous "GDW and Hijack are villagers").
I have stated why I became suspicious of him and I did quote his posts that made me feel that way. I did not pick out his posts because others did. It was my opinion and mine alone.
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Krypsyn: I must have imagined your post 365 then. Maybe you need to reread your own posts...
Nah, I really think you need to reread the posts and not just mine but previous posts too. I was told to cooperate and I clearly spoke against cooperation in such a game. I clearly exemplified that sharing opinions, which is beneficial here, is not the same as cooperation, which I will argue it is not. This being said, this is about the third time you are out of context about my posts and interpret them in your favor. My vote for you will stand.
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HijacK: I'm actually doing the village a favor.
Begging to be lynched isn't generally a pro-town thing to do, but...

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HijacK: Too much suspicion around me, but if I am eliminated and people finally see that I'm a villager, maybe, just maybe they'll have one of those "Oh shit! My #1 suspect was a villager. I need to re-analyse everything." moments and people would finally catch a werewolf instead of more villagers.
This is possibly the most pro-town statement you have made in the entire game. That is exactly the outlook town should have. After all, even if a townie is lynched, they still win if town wins.

Troubling. You have succeeded in making me doubt my vote on you a little. I am not sure if you are attempting a ruse at the last moment by vying for sympathy or not, but now I have a lingering doubt.

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HijacK: ... I clearly spoke against cooperation in such a game.
Yep, and I think that stance is profoundly anti-town. Well, at least your actions are consistent with your rhetoric. :P
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HijacK: I'm actually doing the village a favor.
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Krypsyn: Begging to be lynched isn't generally a pro-town thing to do, but...

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HijacK: Too much suspicion around me, but if I am eliminated and people finally see that I'm a villager, maybe, just maybe they'll have one of those "Oh shit! My #1 suspect was a villager. I need to re-analyse everything." moments and people would finally catch a werewolf instead of more villagers.
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Krypsyn: This is possibly the most pro-town statement you have made in the entire game. That is exactly the outlook town should have. After all, even if a townie is lynched, they still win if town wins.

Troubling. You have succeeded in making me doubt my vote on you a little. I am not sure if you are attempting a ruse at the last moment by vying for sympathy or not, but now I have a lingering doubt.

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HijacK: ... I clearly spoke against cooperation in such a game.
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Krypsyn: Yep, and I think that stance is profoundly anti-town. Well, at least your actions are consistent with your rhetoric. :P
You talk all mighty about pro-town statements, yet you advocate that killing a townie through votes instead of randomness is better. Also, advocating cooperation and the formation of an alliance based system is not just anti-town due to the risks of such a system, it entirely hurts an investigation. I may have some doubts, but if anything, you're one of my 2 candidates for scum. Prime suspect, if you want.
As people have been posting their village-to-wolf gradients, so will I.

- tend to village: RWarehall, Krypsyn
I view these two as the "responsible adults" of our group. I feel both have been helpful in an attempt to identify the wolves. I do remember, however, that they are both experienced players, unlike almost everyone else.

- neutral: trentonlf, popperik
trentonlf also appears genuinely helpful, but I am as yet less certain about him. The fact that he may be instrumental in us not having a lynch today doesn't help.
popperik is still a mystery to me. I have not been able to develop an opinion about him prior to his going "stealth". That last move by itself is not enough to damn him in my mind. I have not been convinced by either the popperik-as-wolf theory (copyright trentonlf) or the popperik-as-village theory (copyright Krypsyn).

- suspicious: Sage103082, amok
I have written about Sage103082 a few posts back.
As for amok, while I enjoy his humour, I find his posts to be overall more disruptive than productive. The "budejovice protection" has worn off.

- tend to wolf: GreenDigitalWolf, HijacK
As time passes, I find it difficult to be certain how much of GreenDigitalWolf's behaviour can be attributed to wolfishness and how much to youth and inexperience. However, I have not seen enough to convince me to move him up the gradient.
I have no doubt whatsoever that HijacK is not pro-village. I am not certain whether he is pro-wolf or anti-village (which is of course very important), but I see no better lynch candidate (hence my vote).
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HijacK: You talk all mighty about pro-town statements, yet you advocate that killing a townie through votes instead of randomness is better.
It is better. Random votes gain the town no information. If we lynch a townie, then everyone has an alibi, since it was 'just random'. Even if we get lucky and catch scum, there are no links to his scumbuddies to analyze later.

Don't trust my word on it, read this link. Although the page is mostly to do with the RVS stage of the first day, the first two lines of the final paragraph are pertinent to this discussion"

"Note that truly random voting, as with the dice tag, is strictly frowned upon. A vote that is demonstrably random carries no motivation to be read into, and is completely informationless"

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HijacK: Also, advocating cooperation and the formation of an alliance based system is not just anti-town due to the risks of such a system, it entirely hurts an investigation.
It is the best way to reach a lynch. We debate and, hopefully, reach a consensus, then we can later analyze what was said and done during the deliberations after we see the results. Scum can be rooted out by what they have said and done, or by what they left unsaid and undone. It is pretty much the entire point of the game.

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HijacK: I may have some doubts, but if anything, you're one of my 2 candidates for scum. Prime suspect, if you want.
I feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside!
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mrkgnao: As people have been posting their village-to-wolf gradients, so will I.

- tend to village: RWarehall, Krypsyn
I view these two as the "responsible adults" of our group. I feel both have been helpful in an attempt to identify the wolves. I do remember, however, that they are both experienced players, unlike almost everyone else.

- neutral: trentonlf, popperik
trentonlf also appears genuinely helpful, but I am as yet less certain about him. The fact that he may be instrumental in us not having a lynch today doesn't help.
popperik is still a mystery to me. I have not been able to develop an opinion about him prior to his going "stealth". That last move by itself is not enough to damn him in my mind. I have not been convinced by either the popperik-as-wolf theory (copyright trentonlf) or the popperik-as-village theory (copyright Krypsyn).

- suspicious: Sage103082, amok
I have written about Sage103082 a few posts back.
As for amok, while I enjoy his humour, I find his posts to be overall more disruptive than productive. The "budejovice protection" has worn off.

- tend to wolf: GreenDigitalWolf, HijacK
As time passes, I find it difficult to be certain how much of GreenDigitalWolf's behaviour can be attributed to wolfishness and how much to youth and inexperience. However, I have not seen enough to convince me to move him up the gradient.
I have no doubt whatsoever that HijacK is not pro-village. I am not certain whether he is pro-wolf or anti-village (which is of course very important), but I see no better lynch candidate (hence my vote).
My intent is not for there to be no lynch I assure you, I just don't want to lynch another villager. If we can not come to a consensus in the next 5-6 hours (I will be getting up and leaving for work then) I will change my vote back, but I'm not sure it's the right vote.
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mrkgnao: As people have been posting their village-to-wolf gradients, so will I.

- tend to village: RWarehall, Krypsyn
I view these two as the "responsible adults" of our group. I feel both have been helpful in an attempt to identify the wolves. I do remember, however, that they are both experienced players, unlike almost everyone else.

- neutral: trentonlf, popperik
trentonlf also appears genuinely helpful, but I am as yet less certain about him. The fact that he may be instrumental in us not having a lynch today doesn't help.
popperik is still a mystery to me. I have not been able to develop an opinion about him prior to his going "stealth". That last move by itself is not enough to damn him in my mind. I have not been convinced by either the popperik-as-wolf theory (copyright trentonlf) or the popperik-as-village theory (copyright Krypsyn).

- suspicious: Sage103082, amok
I have written about Sage103082 a few posts back.
As for amok, while I enjoy his humour, I find his posts to be overall more disruptive than productive. The "budejovice protection" has worn off.

- tend to wolf: GreenDigitalWolf, HijacK
As time passes, I find it difficult to be certain how much of GreenDigitalWolf's behaviour can be attributed to wolfishness and how much to youth and inexperience. However, I have not seen enough to convince me to move him up the gradient.
I have no doubt whatsoever that HijacK is not pro-village. I am not certain whether he is pro-wolf or anti-village (which is of course very important), but I see no better lynch candidate (hence my vote).
This rating based on how innocent the posts looked is beyond gullible since any werewolf can do just that. But don't worry, unless you are a villager, this is what you truly want, isn't it?
Interesting. We had Hijab at lynch -1 for about 10 hours. Those who did no post anything in that time span was Green dogie, Erik and Andy Warhol. Hijab was saved from lynch by Trenton.

I am probably stating the obvious here, but Green dogie has not posted for a while.
So, I haven't posted in a while, true. Sorry bout that.

We've come to a standstill.

"I haven't really posted much lately" - Yes, but has anything new happened? I don't think so.
"apart from defensive posts" - Well I was under attack.

I still think both of my theories are pretty viable:

1. Hijack & GDW are suspicious, Hijack a tad bit more.
2. Both are villagers.

(I know this is obvious, my point is I am not sure which is more likely)


However the last several hours' posts seemed to be a bit different to me. Hijack's gone into berserk advising people to just vote for him to see. I can easily see that as a wolf thing since asking for votes in this manner sound townish (but isn't IMO)

As for the others, Krypsyn is the big analyzer which is not a bad role for a wolf, but I don't suspect him, he hasn't written anything suspicious yet.

Amok has a good strategy as well, his wording style definitely doesn't help me identifying him but I don't suspect him either.

Trentonlf was quick to vote for me a few days ago which I found a bit interesting but not really more than that.

The others I'd call lurkers, who are pretty neutral to me.

And now, VOTE Hijack. As I said he's still my prime suspect. These rage-defense posts didn't help either, it just feels off. I am a bit uneasy about this vote, but if another villager is converted to a wolf, we'll have nothing to go on. For me I'd rather lynch a villager than have a new wolf.

And before someone says it's scummy that I am restarting / jumping / waking / shaking the wagon, I KNOW. It's not something secret that you find out. (Before someone discovers this and thinks that I had quietly placed my vote)
The consensus seems to be Hijack. I am still unsure if he is a wolf, but we have no time left to discuss anymore points. I will keep my word:

UNVOTE POPPERIK
VOTE HIJACK