I believe the first two commandments (Exodus 20:1-3) state clearly that there can only be one amok.

Exo 20:1 And amok spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy amok, which have brought thee out of the land of Steam, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other amoks before me.

I just read through the thread again looking at popperik's posts. Two things jump out at me:

1) Most people believed popperik to be acting some degree of scummy by the end of Day 2. As others have pointed out, the wolves would have been better off to leave him alive and then attempt a lynch on him Today. There has to be something else going on here. Heck, it could be as simple as the wolves messing with us; just trying to confuse and bewilder us, and leave us chasing our tails. While it has certainly worked in my case (I am still baffled), I am just not seeing the long term pay-off over leaving him alive to be suspected.

2) The second point is that his nightkill might have to deal with his rhetoric. Perhaps the wolves thought he was a threat from something he said in one of his posts. I am not seeing anything that points to popperik being the Seer, but that doesn't mean the wolves didn't believe it for some reason. The main things he did, on my reread is agree with JMich on Day 1, and added a vote to GDW, then on Day 2 he suspect either HijacK or GDW to be a wolf (before he changed his mind and thought they both might be town). Many people suspected GDW to be a wolf, but he is the only one (correct me if I am wrong) to do a complete reversal on this opinion. It is the only thing that stands out to me on my reread.

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I would really like to hear GreenDigitalWolf's opinion on popperik's nightkill.

Here is my current view of the surviving players [I dispensed with the neutral/unsure/suspicious category, even though I am not equally inclined towards everyone]:

- tend to village: RWarehall, Krypsyn, trentonlf
- tend to wolf: Sage103082, GreenDigitalWolf, amok

Regarding RWarehall, Krypsyn, GreenDigitalWolf, and amok, not much has changed since my previous summary (post #384) and they remain in their respective categories.

I have moved trentonlf to "tend to village". His posts have always appeared to me pro-village. What's new is that the killing of popperik paradoxically painted trentonlf's Day 2 vote hopping (popperik <-> HijacK) in a more positive light. I don't see a reason for him to have drawn attention to himself in this way if he were a wolf planning to kill popperik during the night.

As for Sage, I know I am alone in suspecting her. I don't expect people to agree with me now, but It might become critical in days 4/5 to keep an open mind, for I feel the village as a whole may well have a blind spot when it comes to her.

I agree that Sage's posts are pro-village (the only thing I found odd was her early focus on popperik, based on very little I believe). This is evoked primarily through her genuine pain at lynching innocents and the unedited/unfiltered feeling of her comments and analyses. Her posts just feel honest and fair.

But, as Groucho Marx said: "The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made".

The reason I suspect Sage has nothing to do with her posts, but rather with accumulating circumstantial evidence, all of which can be attributed to a villager, but the grand sum of which makes me suspicious:

1) She was the last person to cast a first vote on day #1 and one of only two people not to cast any vote on day #2 (the other is GDW). She explains it as unwillingness to kill innocents, but it could equally be attributed to a she-wolf waiting by the sidelines, allowing the rest us of to lynch ourselves, without giving anyone ammunition to accuse her later on of having instigated or particpated in a wrongful lynch.

2) She was the obvious target for the wolf kill on night #2, yet she survived, instead being replaced by the most peculiar killing of popperik. I have already written about this.

3) She asked the mod whether we would know that a killed villager was the seer. She explains her asking this question as a new player's curiosity, but I find it difficult to understand why a villager would want to know that, whereas I can easily imagine a wolf killing JMich, seeing that he was a "villager" and PM'ing the mod, asking "yes, but was he the seer?". Wolves are most interested in whether they indeed killed the seer, villagers would really have nothing useful to do with the seer until he decides to reveal himself and his accumulated knowledge.

None of these are damning proof, but together they are enough to make me suspicious.

Editophobia: The fear of inadvertently editing your post, even when posting in other threads.

Amen!

Interesting. I would assume it is the doggies interest to ensure a village lynch each night. The only thing better that having a no lynch.

Paradoxically, at this stage it is better for both doggies and villagers to have a lynch at this stages than a no-lynch, though having a no-lynch is indeed a win for doggies only. Just for different reasons. I do find your post interesting. And I need coffee.

The correct term is Emendophobia

Still trying to understand the reasoning behind the NK of popperik. The only thing that makes much sense to me is the wolves felt he was the seer. Popperik made a comment in post 192 that I took as suspicious at the time. But, what if it struck a chord with the wolves? I put him on the defensive when maybe I should have looked more closely at what he was saying.

If he knew one of them was not a wolf since he scanned one the first night he could have been trying to get us to look elsewhere until he could scan the other one. Since popperik's vote the first round was on GDW would he have scanned GDW? If he had scanned GDW and found him innocent, and really thought HijacK was innocent also, then his earlier comment makes sense. Once we lynch HijacK the wolves want to continue the suspect train on GDW so kill popperik before he can reveal that GDW is innocent. I mean we already suspected GDW from the way he acted getting from round 1 to round 2. Why would we not suspect him still. If we continue to focus on him and who could be working with him it's possible we are overlooking the true scum. The wolves figured popperik was the seer so kill him and GDW stays suspect, win win.

I hope too hear from everyone today on what they think.

Look at post127. This is the post I think. Just as Sage perked eyebrows for asking about whether we'd know the seer was dead or not. Popperik mentions how the seer would have no information day 1. They might have taken this as a sign of forethought as if he had already thought about this as the seer.

Of note however, is the fact at this point Popperik suspects both HijacK and GDW. Only later changes his mind. What this ultimately means is that seer powers did not create his change of faith.

This is the part that ruins any Seer argument for me. Usually, Seers can be picked out because they focus, hint, or do something of note towards a particular player or players. When I reread his posts, I only saw him focus first on GDW, then on either GDW or HijacK, then on neither; it is a strange lack of consistency for a Seer. I don't see anyone else of particular focus in his posts, and I have been through them several times. Maybe I am missing something, but I just can't understand what would make the wolves think he is the Seer.

It odd too, because it's the same lack of consistency that made him look scummy to some and should have made him a good candidate to keep alive.

trentonlf and RWarehall, both your theories are of course possible. The fact that you thought about them means the wolves could have thought the same (assuming GDW is a villager, in trentonlf's case).

But none of these strike me as clear enough an indication of seership to warrant the risk of entering day #3 with the prime suspect (popperik) dead. If they had killed some other villager on night #2, there was a good chance that we would have done the dirty deed of lynching popperik for them.

An interesting experiment would be to reread everybody's day #2 posts and see if one can use the same type of logic to apply seership potential to one or more of the other players.

I am not a wolf. I thought we were trying to work together hence my posts about popperick, I didn't like some of his posts, I found a few of them off. I have quoted the ones in previous posts. As for voting on day one. I was waiting for something to go on. I voted wrong and I did not want to make the same mistake again on day two. Plus the wagon was rolling towards Hijack and though I found his defensiveness a bit scummy I was leaning toward a villager trying to stay in the game and I did not want to vote him just because everyone else was. As for why I was not killed off I can not tell you why. I was under the impression that posting my thoughts and feelings was how this worked. I had no idea it was going to throw me under the bus for a night kill.

GDW seems to have disappeared, not sure why.

Sage, you have done nothing wrong. You have done what any villager should do. You are so town that you would have been a safe kill and popperik would have been the focus of our attention.

The fact that popperik was the Night kill is either meant to throw us off someones tail or another "newbie" move. I still feel that it's not a "newbie" move. I will say this, my focus will not be on GDW anymore. He seems to be the scapegoat in all this.

Amok made a point in post 411. At the time it seemed wrong to me, but I am starting to see it. Why did HijacK sit so long without a push to get him out?

As odd is people are finding it, I still feel that popperik was the Seer or possibly a red herring for us to look at. To me RWarehall is town, Sage is town, GDW is town. That leaves amok, Krypsyn, and mrkgnao. I feel an experienced hand has been behind this from the beginning, thus Krypsyn is who I am looking at now.

If you are a villager you should be speaking out on who you think is a wolf and why, we need to kill a wolf. Someone is going to die in a NK so killing a wolf is important to accomplish this time.

I agree that there is a wolf that has experience. I have to agree with you choices of suspects - amok, Krypsyn, and mrkgnao.

amok - shorts posts that do not give much information as to himself or his feel of the game / players
Krypsyn - experienced and very helpful. Maybe to helpful?
mrkgnao - pretty quiet for the first 2 days, now speaking up more but only focusing on me.


GDW -stopped talking / posting all together????

*the mysterious villager hasn't even bothered with a placard, instead just hammering up a torn piece of parchment which reads...*

amok - 1 vote (trentonlf)

Majority to Lynch is Four votes

*the sun is not as high in the sky as you'd wish it were*

Looks like the Narrator is hinting at something.

My problem right now is this...
Since popperik changed his thinking mid-day, I'm stuck with 2 different scenarios which lead to 2 different sets of suspects.

Scenario 1: GDW is a wolf.
Scenario 2: GDW is a villager.
The problem being that most of you that look a little scummy in one scenario look like saints in the other and visa versa.

Basically, everything seems to hinge on whether the wolves are somehow protecting GDW (maybe as Popperik was on him early) or framing GDW and killed Popperik because he was one of the few that later thought he was innocent.

I'm leaning to the latter, but this is only if the NK even has something to do with Popperik and GDW and not some other reason.