Unvote HijacK

Re-read through all the posts. Not as convinced. Sorting through my thoughts...
My gut is now he's probably not a wolf. Although he sure is a distraction. Could be the first time ever that if a townie gets lynched and its him, it helps town just from lack of chatter

Saw a couple things, going to think on it a bit.

We are all waiting with ant......ticipation

Day 2 -

JMich was killed by the wolves overnight.

9 players left in the game.

HijacK - states -logical for the werewolves to kill the most experienced and careful examiner of the group. Given JMich's history of always having his facts checked (Is this from other games or a guess JMich is careful? Jmich had posted very few times in day one.) states - I honestly knew SentinelWolf was not a werewolf (really how??) again bring up Mjich and his skills for the game - JMich was one of the few who here who analyze the situation before jumping to conclusions. I do not know what plans he laid to unmask the scum, but I'm going to assume he had something in mind. --(was this the reason Jmich is gone so quick from the game? first to point out the Jmich vote for GDW --( is this to throw suspicion away from himself as the first day was more of a random vote? ) States -- My plans go accordingly so far. (<--- what plans are they?) Listing why he is not a wolf and reasons for his posts and the way they came off. (I can see some reasoning but not totally) Thinks one wolf is loud and the other is silent (not sure I agree with this. I think both wolves might be hiding in plan site as of right now) Points out he is a new player as well. (Most of us are!)


Krypsyn - goes over SW wagon - and who and why people are scummy. Being a good villager or trying to keep suspicion off of himself? Questions Hijack about not speaking up for a villager -(I agree with his statement! ) Starting to take another look at Hjack because of his posts.

mrkgnao - posts his thoughts on the events/posts. His list so far - tend to village: RWarehall, Krypsyn
- not enough information: trentonlf, Sage103082, popperik
- tend to wolf: HijacK, GreenDigitalWolf (one but not both)
- for now ignored: budejovice
(seems to be agreeing with the posts and not adding much of his own thought to the game or maybe I would like to hear more of his reasons)


popperik - States the wolves may of had good reason to suspect Jmich as a seer. (Not sure I like this line of thinking as I do not think day one showed any signs of a seer) States - I'm actually halfways between Hijack and GreenDigitalWolf, slightly leaning towards Hijack, but not enough for me to vote. I guess I'll wait for both of them to explain themselves. (I would like to know the logic to this post ,as there is not reason listed for either player) (Post 192 rubs me the wrong way big time) States - I guess my post really backfired, didn't it? (I don't like this sentence. Seems off)

RWarehall - Votes GreenDigitalWolf - for his day one posts and vote placement. (seems very easy to throw a vote out with not much info) Calls out Hjack for vote hopping. Say he is not going to play the change my vote back and forth game. (Isnt that the point to some degree - to change the vote if something comes to light?)

trentonlf - Wonders about Hijack with some valid points (I too wonder) feels that neither Kryspyn or Hijack is a wolf. Now states - Hijack is focusing on Kryspyn awfully hard - and the way Hijacks post are going it is making him think twice too. Goes back over thread and VOTE POPPERIK based on his posts. Posts about starting to over think things. (I agree with this as I am too.) Post 285 (I am in almost 100 percent the same spot on the players.)

GreenDigitalWolf - Stated - I not only voted SentinelWolf to create a vote wagon - then in the same post states - I saw that a vote wagon was forming, so I found no problem in switching vote (So is it you created the wagon or jumped on it after it was moving?) Staes- I wanted to get out of the first stage because I was really looking forward to the most interesting part of the game (or what I think is) as a first time player. (Is this because the next stage is night time and the wolves come out to hunt??) States he did not take the game as seriously as he should have because he was an excited first play. (not sure this is true but I am leaning towards it being true) States again his lack of issue with his SW. (still leaves a bad taste in my mouth)
Post 244 about popperik makes some valid points. Points out popperik lack of contributing (I agree)

First vote count
GreenDigitalWolf - 1 vote (RWarehall)
HijacK - 1 vote (Krypsyn)
Krypsyn - 1 vote (HijacK)

amok - arrives in the game! Very entertaining but not much added to the game yet.

Second vote count
HijacK - 3 votes (Krypsyn, RWarehall, mrkgnao )
Krypsyn - 1 vote (HijacK)
popperik - 1 vote (trentonlf)

(I am off to work for a few hours - also please let me know if this post is not a good thing. I want to contribute and share my thoughts but I do not want to hurt the game either)

As I have stated before, I find your posts useful, even more so now that they are more detailed. As I believe someone has already mentioned before (too lazy to search for it), the villagers' strongest weapon is the sharing of information.

As for more from me, here goes:
- As much as I would like to analyse the current situation logically, I do not believe I have enough information yet to do so for most, if not all, people. I attempt to do it where I can (e.g. budejovice's identity), but I am aware that these are the minority of cases. Time shall hopefully change that.
- For now, much of my impression of others is based on "feeling". I tend to be more suspiscious of people who I "feel" are playing for themselves, less suspicious of people who I "feel" are playing for the team.
- It has not escaped my notice that the two I have categorised as "tend to village" are the only two experienced players (prior to amok joining). It is not impossible that they have mastered to art of faking it, whereas the rest of us have not. I may modify my impression of them as time progresses, but for now I follow my feeling.
- I know it is not much to build a case on, but I have nothing better at my disposal yet. I seem unable to discern any major faux-pas in anybody's posts that clearly idenitifies them as wolves (is it at all possible?).
- That said, all the posts since I had listed my previous list, which you quote, have not changed my feeling about anyone.
- I do, however, need to address the issue of amok. Logically, I should put him squarely on the village side, for he has assumed budejovice's role, which I had analysed to be in all likelihood a villager. However, I have taken our moderator's warning seriously, so for now I am giving him the benefit of the "doubt" that he may still be a wolf. I don't have a "felling" for him yet. His intentional "chaotic neutral" attitude makes reading him difficult.

My list so far:
- tend to village: RWarehall, Krypsyn
- not enough information/feeling: trentonlf, Sage103082, popperik, amok (one is most likely a wolf)
- tend to wolf: HijacK, GreenDigitalWolf (one but not both)

though common strategy for the first nights kill is to kill the villagers which give the least information, so they do not get anything to work on the next day. Expect one of the most lurkiest players to not survive night 1.

From this you can draw the conclusion that the doggies are not experienced players. However, it may also just be what they want us to think, and just have a personal grudge against the handsome commando from previous games - right Krypsen?

Yes. The wolves are either newbies or experienced players; brilliant deduction. :P

As for the motivations of killing JMich, there are a few that occur to me (not all are mutually exclusive):

1) Set-up GreenDigitialWolf to take the fall. Given his last post of Day 1, players would surely be interested in him.
2) This is a newbie heavy game, perhaps killing a veteran was more palatable.
3) JMich is an experienced player, so possibly a greater threat.
4) Used for WIFOM purposes (as you suggest above).
5) Totally random (I somehow doubt this one).

As for grudges by experienced players, that statement confuses me. Which one of us, RWarehall or myself, do you believe would harbor a grudge towards JMich? Why?

aw, shucks. Just call me Sherlock. You know, this comes quite natural to me.

He is, after all, much more handsome and virile. I can just imagine you coming into this game thinking "Finally!"

Fair point. He also stole that girl from me that one time, at that place, with all the people. Okay, fine, it was more than one time. And more than one girl. Always the same place though (and, oddly, same number of people). I probably would kill him, if given the chance. Ya got me.

I'm kind of sick to tell people again and again to re-read posts. Every single answer to your questions have been answered in a series of my posts. I'm not going to bother and explain everything again.

To me it seems the only real evidence we have at the moment is the NK of JMIch.

HijacK postulated he was killed since it was the most logical choice (post 119) "It is only logical for the werewolves to kill the most experienced and careful examiner of the group. Given JMich's history of always having his facts checked, this situation only became worse."

amok points out (post 290) "though common strategy for the first nights kill is to kill the villagers which give the least information, so they do not get anything to work on the next day. Expect one of the most lurkiest players to not survive night 1.

From this you can draw the conclusion that the doggies are not experienced players. However, it may also just be what they want us to think, and just have a personal grudge against the handsome commando from previous games - right Krypsen?"

Now amok was not in on the first kill as he replaced budjovice, but is he repairing that situation? If budjovice was wolf #1 partnered with another new player that would mean wolf #2 would have to make a kill being unsure of who would be the best choice and chooses JMich. Now amok comes in and sees what happened and has to diffuse the situation as best as possible and not incriminate himself as a wolf and throw out another veterans name for us to focus on?

Or was it really just two inexperienced players who went after who they felt would be the biggest threat to figuring out that they were wolves or who they felt might be the seer?

Unless the wolves just want to come right out and speak up all I can do is go off of what I have read and what my gut tells me (and I have gotten tired of running in circles), so

UNVOTE POPPERIK
VOTE HIJACK

I am not asking or expecting you to explain anything. You have explained already. My post was about what happened so far in day 2 and what was posted that stood out to me at the time it was posted. As I did not want to write a book I stuck with those guide lines to a degree.

LOL just LOL.

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:(

*several heavy wooden thuds are heard...*

HijacK - 3 votes (Krypsyn, mrkgnao, trentonlf)
Krypsyn - 1 vote (HijacK)

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