Woke up and read the thread. Everything turned "dark" :p I guess this is how the games goes.

Just to add some things:

I not only voted SentinelWolf to create a vote wagon, but also I followed my first reasoning:

Both Krypsyn and SentinelWolf voted very fast.
I chose to vote Krypsyn.
TIme went on and I saw that a vote wagon was forming, so I found no problem in switching vote, as I voted for Krypsyn "randomly". (Between SentinelWolf and him, after seeing that both of them casted an very early vote).

Also, in the night I thought about people voting for me after the death of JMich, and it kind of happened :p But what if the wolves killed it to accuse me and take out another villager?

I am not eager to question you, just the logic you used.

I am not stopping any thing, just questioning. I want to hear from more of us to see where people's thoughts are at. We can not afford another killing of a villager.

For the newcomers, yeah, you need a thick skin in these games. Many people will get called out, maybe something you say will come out poorly. Maybe you've gotten framed. Maybe you didn't cover everything up. It may look dark, but there are only two votes on you, GDW. We are clearly still in negotiation phase, nothing's a done deal. Look I was even called out for being lurky with just two RVS posts.

As to budejovice, I would not rule him out as a werewolf just yet. It wouldn't be that unfair to just let the second werewolf pick the target by himself until he comes back. Our moderator knew he would be gone, but wanted to start the game on the full moon. It's all good. I do see your logic as to why he might likely not be the seer, but he's still a possible wolf or town in my book. Truth be told, I saw your point when you first posted it and intentionally ignored it. Townies should discuss who are likely werewolves to ferret them out, maybe ever discuss who are likely town. Townies should not discuss who might be the seer. We don't need to give the wolves any help.

Fair point. Thank you.

RWarehall, I meant dark as referring to the general atmosphere, how everyone writes and acts. It was a drastic change.

Right now I'm going out with my family, so I won't be able to post for a few hours.

Oh, and forgot to add this: I wanted to get out of the first stage because I was really looking forward to the most interesting part of the game (or what I think is) as a first time player.

Bye!

The thought occurred to me also that budejovice could still be a wolf as it only takes one to kill someone. This is why I am wanting to hear from him soon. If we do not hear soon it might be wise to request a replacement, active participation is needed.

I may be naive, but that is not how I read the rules. As I understand it, if the village wins, all the villagers win, including the dead ones. SentinelWolf and JMich can still win. It is a team game.

I know that if I were dead I would continue watching our village from heaven (or from that other place) with as much interest as I do now. Our moderator may have even prepared a quicktopic thread for the dead players to post in (as explained by JMich a while ago).

Yup, dying is a big part of the game, usually two per game day/night. Dying for the winning cause is a clear win.

Also Hijack, what are your plans that are going accordingly? Was I supposed to see the flaw in your logic and question it? Or are you trying to say you're building a case against me?

GreenDigitalWolf you are not helping your case any with this cavalier attitude. Why is this the interesting part? Is it the trying to figure out who is being deceitful or trying to mask being deceitful? You are not presenting yourself in such a manner to inspire trust.

I have been reading over the thread for the last half hour. There are 2 things that stood out to me and I am wondering about..

1. Why are you concerned about the wolves dyeing if you are a villager?
2. Why are you kinda agreeing with the wolves choice. Any village to die is not a good thing.

I am not casting a vote. I would only like to know your reasoning.

(since I can not edit I hope my quoting comes out ok)

I agree with this. I was all set to post my SentinelWolf wagon analysis and my JMich nightkill analysis and drop a vote for GreenDigitalWolf (my evidence also would have pointed to the connection between JMich and GDW). I was doing a refresh check on the thread, prior to posting my wagon analysis, when I saw HijacK's Post 119.

It is hard for me to put into words how scummy it seemed to me at first (and second, and third) glance. There are three major portions to his post, each of which are, to me, scummy tells.

1) First, he said he 'knew', not 'suspected', SentinelWolf of being town. This could just be bad word choice, but whatever the precise knowledge he had, he never voiced it on Day 1. His later explanation that he didn't want to voice any objection, because Day 1 was so volatile, doesn't hold water for me. As a vanilla town, your first priority should be to root out scum; the only people who should be scared of drawing attention to themselves are either scum or town power-roles. Even if it ends up getting you killed, you win of the town wins. Voicing an objection would have surely stirred up the hornet's nest, but it is that sort of chaos that often draws on scum.

2) He then proceeds to cast blame at half the players in the game. The way it was worded really gave me flashbacks of that scene from the Princess Bride from which we get the Mafia term WIFOM. It seemed to point everywhere, and thus nowhere.

3) Lastly, he warns that anyone who thinks he is scummy must actually be scummy themselves. This is a sort of pre-emptive OMGUS (Oh My God, You Suck).

He posted a follow-up in Post 123, in which he did actually narrow his scum-hunting down to one player, GreenDigitalWolf. Dang annoying for me, because my new suspect was now targeting my original suspect. I decided to sleep on it, and give the thread some time to react.

The more I thought about it, the more I started to come to the conclusion that maybe the Nightkilling was set up to make GreenDigitalWolf the obvious target. HijacK speaks of people that act too scummy to actually be scum (I am paraphrasing, so corect me if I got it wrong), but might that not also be the case for GreenDigitalWolf? I still think he acted scumming on Day 1, but now I can't discount the possibility that scum might be taking advantage of some missteps of a new player.

Vote: HijacK

I'm actually halfways between Hijack and GreenDigitalWolf, slightly leaning towards Hijack, but not enough for me to vote. I guess I'll wait for both of them to explain themselves.

Facts of the post? What facts? The answer to his question of why I didn't speak up is beyond simple. You all were on a bandwagon to lynch Silent wolf. Speaking up for him would potentially classify me as scum seeing how all of you voted for him. This being said JMich openly stated he does not jump on this bandwagon and look at what happened to him. If you're going to blame me for playing it smart, at least look at those "facts" from a different angle. Gullibility will only enable the scum to reach victory.

1. Interesting you mention my post yet you totally miss the point of it. Is it intentional?

2. And I clearly named my deduction good psychological analysis skills. Just because you don't have the same prowess as me, does that make me scum? Also, doesn't that statement basically incriminate RWarehall and poppperik? And let's not be so dense, shall we? Voicing an objection would have potentially stopped you from casting your last vote and we would still be running in circles and getting posts from GDW how he wants to get in the next round and from SW how he is innocent, thus stagnating the whole process and drawing us further into the darkness. Needless to say it would have attracted a lot of attention towards me, both from the scum and the villagers. And I will state again for you to understand: I'm a villager and my goal is to find the scum. Your lack of consideration when it comes to a good candidate on whom to blame could be cast makes me question your true identity.

3. Let me point out how you have just cast a huge question mark above your status. First of all, you were very thorough in your analysis of the situation, yet when it comes to my post, which I have re-read, you utterly ignore the fact that I only analyzed the situation and gave all the possibilities of who the scum might be, and how they are acting and this is why I have mentioned almost every single villager and how they may relate to the situation. Instead you utterly lie that I cast the blame on half of the village, which is by no means what I have said. Not even close.

4. Lastly I questioned everyone who questioned me without thinking out of the box. I will state once more. People are too ready to believe only what they see and never consider multiple scenarios. I analyze and over analyze tens of scenarios and possibilities. You however don't, and instead proceed to indicate that I may be in fact scum, when in turn I will hold my ground and say that I will save this village.

5. What exactly is wrong with my explanation right there? Did you feel threatened by the fact that just like JMich, I did not join a mindless assumption? I also find it amusing that the main suspects in this stage are only people who did not jump on SilentWolf's bandwagon. Mainly me and GDW, because obviously JMich was eliminated. This being said, I will repeat again: SilentWolf's wording was overly incriminating. He overdid his role. In such a situation you do not do such a thing, not when most people believe only what they see, and if you cannot see the fact he played badly with his own words, then I'm wondering how come you were so thorough in your analysis of the possibilities of who might be scum? Obviously when there is o prime suspect, you seem to play it calculated, but when one rises, you blandly jump on a bandwagon.

6. I have never stated SilentWolf or anyone played it too scummy to be scum. I simply stated that SilentWolf overdid his part in his desperation of saving himself. Paraphrasing? I don't think so. And you also conveniently seem to forget that I am a new player as well, since in your post were referring only to GWD as being new.

This being said, I unvote GreenDigitalWolf. If he really is scum, then he's not by any chance more dangerous than you. So I cast my vote on Krypsyn because there were just too many convenient errors in his post.


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@trentonlf
No, I am not building any case against you because I am unsure if you are scum or not. Suspect, yes, but then again, who is not a suspect? And don't you think detailing my plans here where the scum can see them is rather lame? The edits they can make to their plans in order to get a higher advantage are way more in number than the possibilities I have come up with. It wouldn't be an intelligent move, would it?