MajicMan: Nonsense?
Is there anything more fundamentally important than Freedom, Independence and Liberty?
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Freedom, Independence and Liberty is never easy, always messy, but never nonsense.
Lin545: Maslow (warning, he's russian spy!) pyramid answers that.
Thats also why and how slavery prospered for so long in US.
that said, I am leaving the forum.
Fables can't give me exact reasons of what I broke and COC is extremely vague, allows to ban anyone for any reason. There can't be any healthy discussion or opinion exchange with rules such as that. I tell this because I am also a moderator .. elsewhere. Farewell.
I am no Russian. I am very Pro-America and pro Western Civilization.
As for your assertion that slavery prospered in the USA. Typical propaganda, it didn't prosper at all. The United States was founded on July 4, 1776. The Civil War and slavery ended on June 2, 1865. Prior to the war, Thomas Jefferson and his administration outlawed the importation of slaves into the USA in 1808. The USA also passed the Slaved Trade Act in 1800 prohibiting Americans from being involved in the international slave trade at all. Slavery lasted less than 89 years in the USA. It has been more than 152 years without slavery. Most of American history has been a slave-free nation. Less than 5% of all slaves to the "New World" came to the United States of America. More than 95 percent went to Latin America. After slavery ended in the United States of America, black Africans were still selling slaves to each other and Latin American nations - most notably Brazil. Brazil accounted for 40 percent of all African slaves brought to the "New World" and was the last nation in the Western Hemisphere to abolish slavery.
If you want to talk about nations and regions of the world with long histories of slavery - Africa, the Egyptians were doing it more than 7,500 years ago. Africa and black people have a 7,000 year history of slavery. Ethiopia didn't abolish slavery until 1902. Morocco - 1922
Europe. The Roman Empire, the Danes, The Celts, well everybody actually. Slavery that lasted for several thousands of years. And slavery in the American colonies was under British Empire rule, Brazil was under the rule of Portugal.
The Middle East. Thousands of years of slavery. Afghanistan didn't abolish it until 1923, Iraq 1924. Qatar 1952 even though you can still find it in practice in these countries.
Asia. China, India, Japan, etc. all have thousands of years of slavery. The use of "comfort women" as recently as 80 years ago by the Japanese. China officially enacted a law ending slavery in 1909, enacted in 1910 but was still in practice until 1949. Thailand -1912, India
still has a caste system and arranged marriages, as does Pakistan and other countries.
North America, South America. The "natives Americans" all had slaves and practiced slavery. The Mayans, Incas and Aztecs all practiced slavery and human sacrifice.
So yeah, slavery is repulsive, but the idea that somehow it is an American concept or that it is the only nation to to ever have slaves and is used as a punching bag by other nations is utter nonsense. It had been a problem from Day 1 in the nation and from the very start, and even prior to ratification of the Constitution, it was being abolished in many of the states. Also, 10 percent of all American slave owners were black and black Americans owned slaves as a larger percentage than white Americans. The USA's history of slavery is a very short period of time and was actually only in practice by a very small group of people and some states ratified the Constitution as slave-free from the very beginning and were never slave states at all as America.
As for Russia, the nation was selling Christians to Muslims for hundreds of years. And turning slaves into serfs changed nothing in reality, just a new name for branding and marketing purposes. And the entire USSR rule was slavery rule.
And if you really want to have a talk about which demographic and civilizations are the least racist and most free
Global Slavery Index 2016 may be a place to start.