Posted August 02, 2020

InEffect
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Registered: Apr 2013
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mhek
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Registered: Nov 2010
From Germany
Posted August 05, 2020

Role: Control/Support/Damage Dealer
Race: Halfling
Alignment: Any
Stats*:
Str: 5
Dex: 19
Con: 15
Int: 10
Wis: 7
Cha: 19 > 24
*If you have Varn DLC. 5/18/14/12/9/19 if not.
Final Build:
Sorcerer(Silvan) 18/Alchemist(Vivisectionist) 2
Animal Companion: Leopard*
*Medium size, so won't be so annoying to deal with
Main skills: Persuasion(max)
Suggested secondary skills: Stealth
Detailed leveling breakdown:
Lvl 1: Sorcerer - Spell Focus: Conjuration, Greater Spell Focus: Conjuration
Lvl 2: Sorcerer
Lvl 3: Sorcerer - Spell Focus: Evocation
Lvl 4: Sorcerer
Lvl 5: Sorcerer - Spell Specialization
Lvl 6: Sorcerer
Lvl 7: Sorcerer - Point-Blank Shot // Precise Shot
Lvl 8: Sorcerer
Lvl 9: Sorcerer - Heighten Spell
Lvl 10: Sorcerer
Lvl 11: Sorcerer - Weapon Focus: Ray
Lvl 12: Sorcerer
Lvl 13: Sorcerer - Dazzling Display // Improved Initiative
Lvl 14: Sorcerer
Lvl 15: Sorcerer - Greater Spell Focus: Evocation
Lvl 16: Sorcerer
Lvl 17: Sorcerer - Elemental Focus: Electricity
Lvl 18: Sorcerer
Lvl 19: Alchemist - Greater Elemental Focus: Electricity
Lvl 20: Alchemist - Cognatogen
Spell Specialization:
5-8 Magic Missile
9 Stinking Cloud
10-11 Acidic Spray
12-17 Chain Lightning
16+ Stormbolts
Spells by level in order of importance:
Lvl 1: Mage Armor, Grease, Magic Missile, Reduce Person, True Strike
Lvl 2: Glitterdust, Mirror Image, Sense Vitals, Scorching Ray, Pernicious Poison
Lvl 3: Stinking Cloud, Haste, Spiked Pit, Resist Energy(Communal)
Lvl 4: Animate Dead, Greater Invisibility, Dimension Door, Protection From Energy(Communal)
Lvl 5: Acidic Spray, Cloudkill, Vinetrap*, Angelic Aspect, Echolocation
Lvl 6: Chain Lighting, Heroism(Greater)**, Chains of Light***, Dispell Magic(Greater)*
Lvl 7: Legendary Proportions, Waves of Exahaustion, Firebrand, Changestaff*
Lvl 8: Stormbolts, Mindblank, Summon Nature's Ally VIII
Lvl 9: Tsunami
*You will get this as a Bloodline spell, don’t have to pick it.
**Or sirocco/hellfire ray if you don't have too many phys attackers, so your bard can cover.
***Can be skipped too. Will targeting spells are not the most important.
Alchemist Spells: True Strike
Gear: +Cha Helmet, +Stat items, Ring of Circumstances(Cha, Dex, DC, Skills), Amulet of dying wisdom, Rod Of Flaming Vengeance, Grandmaster Rod, Quicken Rod, other rods.
Your controller with some damage attached for late-game. Has a pet to carry his stuff.
Can be human to fit in Skill focus: Persuaion at the cost of effectively 2 AB.
Dazzling is taken so he doesn't just stand there after initial control spells are fired. It's useful, especially with maxed out charisma
Animate dead and bloodline spells will do fine as fodder summons.
40 Cha endgame + 2 fom bokken elixir = 42Cha, 10+9+16+2+1 = 38 Conjuration DC 10+9+16+2+(2)+1=38/40 Evocation DC before rods.
Has CC effects for every save, Attack the lowest. Pit/grease/vinetrap for reflex, Stinking Cloud for Fortitude, Chains of Light for Will.
Heighten all your CC spells. And damage spells too if you need something on the level.
Delay Poison Communal from a friendly cleric or alchemist will go a long way. Easiest CC combo in the game as it forces loads of saves.
Post edited August 05, 2020 by mhek

InEffect
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Registered: Apr 2013
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Posted August 05, 2020


mhek
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Registered: Nov 2010
From Germany
Posted August 05, 2020

What's the deal with cognaten? I can boost my AC and an attribute (CH) for 20 minutes once a day? Why is it worth to loose two sorcerer levels for this?

InEffect
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Registered: Apr 2013
From Russian Federation
Posted August 05, 2020
Sorc levels are just a bit of extra spells mostly and DC to everything is nice to have on unfair. You can go straight sylvan 20 or sylvan19/SF1 if you so desire.

mhek
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Registered: Nov 2010
From Germany
Posted August 05, 2020

What's the deal with cognaten? I can boost my AC and an attribute (CH) for 20 minutes once a day? Why is it worth to loose two sorcerer levels for this?

I think I'll go pure or make a scaled fist dip.
Thank you for putting all the guides here! Very inspirational!

drunkprince
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Registered: May 2017
From Greece

InEffect
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Registered: Apr 2013
From Russian Federation
Posted August 05, 2020

its really itching my hand to finally play the kine. I reached lamashtu womb but i dont really enjoy my class plus all the funny picks i wanted to do where locked behind chaotic and i did the lawful. i might restart the game and since i have a clue how to play rn, im thinking to play the unfair build in normal mode tho, but as an aasimar. how much the build will change and if its gonna be destroyed if i pick assimar..
once again tnx.
thanks and have fun.
Post edited August 05, 2020 by InEffect

Zerastrife
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Registered: Aug 2020
From United States
Posted August 15, 2020
Hi InEffect!
It cannot be said enough but thanks for what you do for the community here. I've had the game for a year, hell I even backed the WOTR kickstarter and cannot wait for that but first I need to beat this. I'm fresh off a solo Path Of The Damned
Solo run (hardest difficulty, solo) in Pillars of Eternity 2 so I have some CRPG experience. I want to jump right into Kingmaker and beat I've read your builds through and through but have a question. Truth is I've put over 100 hours into this game and keep restarting (very similar to my experience in POE2 until it clicked for me) here's the scenario:
I'm looking to beat the game on unfair, solo as a Sorc but am having trouble picking my build. I'm either going to use your Sylvan Sorc, Sorc AT, or a Sage Int Sorc. That's where I'm running into trouble. I really am kind of lost on the stat distribution for a Sage as I know it's int based but is Charisma a dump stat due to that? I'm solo so I'm going to need all the persuasion I can get for checks, etc.
For Sylvan or AT I've got your guides to fall back on (also a bit confused as to which to use: The Unfair Merc build or your older V2 builds as there are a few differences) but the Sage is where I'm lost. I see you made a Sage build in the "build for you" thread but I couldn't tell if it was optimized for Solo / Unfair. It's the missing piece to my puzzle. In a recent post of yours you pointed someone else to your unfailr guide for a more up to date Sylvan Sorc build but I see that it's missing the spell specialization. Did you want to leave that up to the individual? I was just going to use the spell spec provided in your V2 guide. I guess I need help determining which of the 3 will be the best / less stressful experience, stat guidance for a Sage, and for the AT / Sylvan which of your builds to use V2 build or Unfair Merc. Can you please help? Any info you provide would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
It cannot be said enough but thanks for what you do for the community here. I've had the game for a year, hell I even backed the WOTR kickstarter and cannot wait for that but first I need to beat this. I'm fresh off a solo Path Of The Damned
Solo run (hardest difficulty, solo) in Pillars of Eternity 2 so I have some CRPG experience. I want to jump right into Kingmaker and beat I've read your builds through and through but have a question. Truth is I've put over 100 hours into this game and keep restarting (very similar to my experience in POE2 until it clicked for me) here's the scenario:
I'm looking to beat the game on unfair, solo as a Sorc but am having trouble picking my build. I'm either going to use your Sylvan Sorc, Sorc AT, or a Sage Int Sorc. That's where I'm running into trouble. I really am kind of lost on the stat distribution for a Sage as I know it's int based but is Charisma a dump stat due to that? I'm solo so I'm going to need all the persuasion I can get for checks, etc.
For Sylvan or AT I've got your guides to fall back on (also a bit confused as to which to use: The Unfair Merc build or your older V2 builds as there are a few differences) but the Sage is where I'm lost. I see you made a Sage build in the "build for you" thread but I couldn't tell if it was optimized for Solo / Unfair. It's the missing piece to my puzzle. In a recent post of yours you pointed someone else to your unfailr guide for a more up to date Sylvan Sorc build but I see that it's missing the spell specialization. Did you want to leave that up to the individual? I was just going to use the spell spec provided in your V2 guide. I guess I need help determining which of the 3 will be the best / less stressful experience, stat guidance for a Sage, and for the AT / Sylvan which of your builds to use V2 build or Unfair Merc. Can you please help? Any info you provide would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Post edited August 15, 2020 by Zerastrife

InEffect
know-it-all
Registered: Apr 2013
From Russian Federation
Posted August 15, 2020

It cannot be said enough but thanks for what you do for the community here. I've had the game for a year, hell I even backed the WOTR kickstarter and cannot wait for that but first I need to beat this. I'm fresh off a solo Path Of The Damned
Solo run (hardest difficulty, solo) in Pillars of Eternity 2 so I have some CRPG experience. I want to jump right into Kingmaker and beat I've read your builds through and through but have a question. Truth is I've put over 100 hours into this game and keep restarting (very similar to my experience in POE2 until it clicked for me) here's the scenario:
I'm looking to beat the game on unfair, solo as a Sorc but am having trouble picking my build. I'm either going to use your Sylvan Sorc, Sorc AT, or a Sage Int Sorc. That's where I'm running into trouble. I really am kind of lost on the stat distribution for a Sage as I know it's int based but is Charisma a dump stat due to that? I'm solo so I'm going to need all the persuasion I can get for checks, etc.
For Sylvan or AT I've got your guides to fall back on (also a bit confused as to which to use: The Unfair Merc build or your older V2 builds as there are a few differences) but the Sage is where I'm lost. I see you made a Sage build in the "build for you" thread but I couldn't tell if it was optimized for Solo / Unfair. It's the missing piece to my puzzle. In a recent post of yours you pointed someone else to your unfailr guide for a more up to date Sylvan Sorc build but I see that it's missing the spell specialization. Did you want to leave that up to the individual? I was just going to use the spell spec provided in your V2 guide. I guess I need help determining which of the 3 will be the best / less stressful experience, stat guidance for a Sage, and for the AT / Sylvan which of your builds to use V2 build or Unfair Merc. Can you please help? Any info you provide would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Feyspeaker and kineticist can also do it with relative ease, but the tactics for both are so degenerate I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Post edited August 15, 2020 by InEffect

Zerastrife
New User
Registered: Aug 2020
From United States
Posted August 15, 2020

It cannot be said enough but thanks for what you do for the community here. I've had the game for a year, hell I even backed the WOTR kickstarter and cannot wait for that but first I need to beat this. I'm fresh off a solo Path Of The Damned
Solo run (hardest difficulty, solo) in Pillars of Eternity 2 so I have some CRPG experience. I want to jump right into Kingmaker and beat I've read your builds through and through but have a question. Truth is I've put over 100 hours into this game and keep restarting (very similar to my experience in POE2 until it clicked for me) here's the scenario:
I'm looking to beat the game on unfair, solo as a Sorc but am having trouble picking my build. I'm either going to use your Sylvan Sorc, Sorc AT, or a Sage Int Sorc. That's where I'm running into trouble. I really am kind of lost on the stat distribution for a Sage as I know it's int based but is Charisma a dump stat due to that? I'm solo so I'm going to need all the persuasion I can get for checks, etc.
For Sylvan or AT I've got your guides to fall back on (also a bit confused as to which to use: The Unfair Merc build or your older V2 builds as there are a few differences) but the Sage is where I'm lost. I see you made a Sage build in the "build for you" thread but I couldn't tell if it was optimized for Solo / Unfair. It's the missing piece to my puzzle. In a recent post of yours you pointed someone else to your unfailr guide for a more up to date Sylvan Sorc build but I see that it's missing the spell specialization. Did you want to leave that up to the individual? I was just going to use the spell spec provided in your V2 guide. I guess I need help determining which of the 3 will be the best / less stressful experience, stat guidance for a Sage, and for the AT / Sylvan which of your builds to use V2 build or Unfair Merc. Can you please help? Any info you provide would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Feyspeaker and kineticist can also do it with relative ease, but the tactics for both are so degenerate I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

citrixscu
New User
Registered: May 2011
From United States
Posted August 22, 2020
I'm starting a new playthrough with the latest patch, going Sylvan Sorc. I'll be playing on normal, turn-based and wondered about the stat distribution. I have all the DLC and not necessarily looking to min-max or meta.
Race: Aasimar, musetouched
7/19/15/10/7/19
or
7/19/14/12/7/19
Alternatively, something more balanced?
Race: Aasimar, musetouched
7/19/15/10/7/19
or
7/19/14/12/7/19
Alternatively, something more balanced?

InEffect
know-it-all
Registered: Apr 2013
From Russian Federation
Posted August 22, 2020

Race: Aasimar, musetouched
7/19/15/10/7/19
or
7/19/14/12/7/19
Alternatively, something more balanced?
The more up to date build is on the merc from unfair guide.

citrixscu
New User
Registered: May 2011
From United States
Posted August 22, 2020

Race: Aasimar, musetouched
7/19/15/10/7/19
or
7/19/14/12/7/19
Alternatively, something more balanced?

The more up to date build is on the merc from unfair guide.

InEffect
know-it-all
Registered: Apr 2013
From Russian Federation