Posted March 02, 2021
InEffect
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Mr.Kyde
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Registered: Jan 2021
From United States
Posted March 03, 2021
Hello InEffect,
First of all thank you for the good work so far. It is appreciated. I understand if you have no desire to read this or help but I am curious if you wouldnt mind giving me your opinion on how to build this idea out. The idea is that of a sorcerer with heavy armor. Able to take a hit or two but to deal a good portion of damage themselves. Of course the sorcerer bit is not necessary just the only class I could think that would work with higher charisma and a spellcaster. Perhaps my view is too limited. I would appreciate another perspective. Thank you for reading this and if you offered your opinion thank you again as well.
Have a great day,
Mr. Kyde.
First of all thank you for the good work so far. It is appreciated. I understand if you have no desire to read this or help but I am curious if you wouldnt mind giving me your opinion on how to build this idea out. The idea is that of a sorcerer with heavy armor. Able to take a hit or two but to deal a good portion of damage themselves. Of course the sorcerer bit is not necessary just the only class I could think that would work with higher charisma and a spellcaster. Perhaps my view is too limited. I would appreciate another perspective. Thank you for reading this and if you offered your opinion thank you again as well.
Have a great day,
Mr. Kyde.
InEffect
know-it-all
Registered: Apr 2013
From Russian Federation
Posted March 03, 2021
First of all thank you for the good work so far. It is appreciated. I understand if you have no desire to read this or help but I am curious if you wouldnt mind giving me your opinion on how to build this idea out. The idea is that of a sorcerer with heavy armor. Able to take a hit or two but to deal a good portion of damage themselves. Of course the sorcerer bit is not necessary just the only class I could think that would work with higher charisma and a spellcaster. Perhaps my view is too limited. I would appreciate another perspective. Thank you for reading this and if you offered your opinion thank you again as well.
Have a great day,
Mr. Kyde.
warriorofice
New User
Registered: Aug 2013
From Canada
Posted March 05, 2021
As to the ranger... Aragorn is pretty much a freebooter. You can pick up archery tree and use 2h in melee. The animate dead part of him is probably out, but you can add jaethals ability with bag of tricks for that. Something like booter 6+something should fit alright. The something part depends on how much RP vs power level you want. Switching between ranged and melee is kinda bad in the game since we can't drop the bow on the ground as a free action, so switching weapons is always a standard action. Without going too much off the path deliverer 12/Booter 6/Fighter 2 seems reasonable.
So i made Aragorn as the main character, followed by 5 mercs (100gp each if we wait before levelling up at Oleg's).
Gandalf (universalist wiz/AT), Gimli (slayer), Arwen (merc cleric), Pippin (bard) and Legolas (eldricht archer/rogue+) all using your build, Amazing the time you spent building characters for the community.
warriorofice
New User
Registered: Aug 2013
From Canada
Posted March 06, 2021
Question about the slayer build, you recommend to use a keen weapon. At level 7 i found the mallet of woe which is a +3 2d6 heavy mace. Isn't it better than say a +1 keen weapon?
InEffect
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Registered: Apr 2013
From Russian Federation
Posted March 06, 2021
Just use whatever is better at the moment. There's no sense in marrying the weapon before you are well into the game even if you've taken the focus. It's kinda similar in PnP as well, except there we usually don't even take the focus before we find a weapon we wouldn't mind going through the whole game with. It's one more reason why fighters kinda suck in pnp as well since they do marry a weapon early and there's absolutely no guarantee you'll ever get one, unless your DM takes a pity and hand-places something for you or you spend a ton of time to craft one, which you will pretty much never have, unless you run a west marches style game.
Post edited March 06, 2021 by InEffect
Torbaal
New User
Registered: Mar 2020
From France
Posted March 11, 2021
Hi InEffect and everyone !
First of all, thank you and congratutaltion on providing so many builds and offering your help and knowledge to the community.
I plan to get back to Kingmaker afer a long break. I never finished the yet (I know, shame on me) and lost all my previous saves. Since I'm sure they have been many updates since I played and since I got my hands on DLCs, I figured I should have a look on the net to find some ideas, builds, guides to help me realise what I want and that's how I ended here.
When I consider a build, I like to think party wise. I don't mind using mods to respec NPCs in that perspective.
What I would like to play is a bad ass sweet talker leader. I like the freebooter archetype for his bonuses to the team and for flavour. Then I'd like to make the best use of animal companions and summons, to flank ennemies and use at meatshields while the party enjoys the flanking bonusses and use sneak attacks, trip, anything nasty.
My Captain ain't playing fair when it comes to battle. I haven't decided yet if he should go pure range (using range weapons or magic) or melee (using reach weapons and trip maybe)
He doesn't have to possess an animal companion himself, other from the party can do that for him. I'm thinking at least 2 AC, up to 4 (I've read AC can be a pain in the butt in narrow places).
As for fighting dirty with sneak attacks, I was considering Vivi rather than rogue but it seems to be more appropriate for a melee fighter rather than range so I don't know. I do remember vivi still being an alchemist he has some very usefull spells including healing, enlarge etc.
I don't plan in going into hard nor unfair, I just want a fun party.
Thanks in advance and if you need me to provide any more informations please ask :)
First of all, thank you and congratutaltion on providing so many builds and offering your help and knowledge to the community.
I plan to get back to Kingmaker afer a long break. I never finished the yet (I know, shame on me) and lost all my previous saves. Since I'm sure they have been many updates since I played and since I got my hands on DLCs, I figured I should have a look on the net to find some ideas, builds, guides to help me realise what I want and that's how I ended here.
When I consider a build, I like to think party wise. I don't mind using mods to respec NPCs in that perspective.
What I would like to play is a bad ass sweet talker leader. I like the freebooter archetype for his bonuses to the team and for flavour. Then I'd like to make the best use of animal companions and summons, to flank ennemies and use at meatshields while the party enjoys the flanking bonusses and use sneak attacks, trip, anything nasty.
My Captain ain't playing fair when it comes to battle. I haven't decided yet if he should go pure range (using range weapons or magic) or melee (using reach weapons and trip maybe)
He doesn't have to possess an animal companion himself, other from the party can do that for him. I'm thinking at least 2 AC, up to 4 (I've read AC can be a pain in the butt in narrow places).
As for fighting dirty with sneak attacks, I was considering Vivi rather than rogue but it seems to be more appropriate for a melee fighter rather than range so I don't know. I do remember vivi still being an alchemist he has some very usefull spells including healing, enlarge etc.
I don't plan in going into hard nor unfair, I just want a fun party.
Thanks in advance and if you need me to provide any more informations please ask :)
Post edited March 11, 2021 by Torbaal
InEffect
know-it-all
Registered: Apr 2013
From Russian Federation
Posted March 11, 2021
First of all, thank you and congratutaltion on providing so many builds and offering your help and knowledge to the community.
I plan to get back to Kingmaker afer a long break. I never finished the yet (I know, shame on me) and lost all my previous saves. Since I'm sure they have been many updates since I played and since I got my hands on DLCs, I figured I should have a look on the net to find some ideas, builds, guides to help me realise what I want and that's how I ended here.
When I consider a build, I like to think party wise. I don't mind using mods to respec NPCs in that perspective.
What I would like to play is a bad ass sweet talker leader. I like the freebooter archetype for his bonuses to the team and for flavour. Then I'd like to make the best use of animal companions and summons, to flank ennemies and use at meatshields while the party enjoys the flanking bonusses and use sneak attacks, trip, anything nasty.
My Captain ain't playing fair when it comes to battle. I haven't decided yet if he should go pure range (using range weapons or magic) or melee (using reach weapons and trip maybe)
He doesn't have to possess an animal companion himself, other from the party can do that for him. I'm thinking at least 2 AC, up to 4 (I've read AC can be a pain in the butt in narrow places).
As for fighting dirty with sneak attacks, I was considering Vivi rather than rogue but it seems to be more appropriate for a melee fighter rather than range so I don't know. I do remember vivi still being an alchemist he has some very usefull spells including healing, enlarge etc.
I don't plan in going into hard nor unfair, I just want a fun party.
Thanks in advance and if you need me to provide any more informations please ask :)
Rest of the party is fairly standard and easy since it's not like we have much of a choice. You'd need a Bard, so Val is always will be there, You need an alchemist, so Jubi has to be there(and playing without the best written companion in the game is a travesty), you need a full caster, so if you limit yourself to companions Octavia is your only real option, You'll probably want a cleric and the last slot is open for whatever you fancy since you already have everything you need in 5 slots.
Post edited March 11, 2021 by InEffect
Torbaal
New User
Registered: Mar 2020
From France
Posted March 12, 2021
Rest of the party is fairly standard and easy since it's not like we have much of a choice. You'd need a Bard, so Val is always will be there, You need an alchemist, so Jubi has to be there(and playing without the best written companion in the game is a travesty), you need a full caster, so if you limit yourself to companions Octavia is your only real option, You'll probably want a cleric and the last slot is open for whatever you fancy since you already have everything you need in 5 slots.
Edit : do you advise any specific race and how would you distribute attribute points ?
Post edited March 12, 2021 by Torbaal
InEffect
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Registered: Apr 2013
From Russian Federation
Aenynn
New User
Registered: Jun 2013
From Poland
Posted April 02, 2021
Hi InEffect,
you wrote at one point that an arcane sorc would make a better dc sorc than a sage if the Varns DLC is missing.
I'm very curious how you would build one, you mentioned at one point that it would be a gnome illusionist, what other focus would be good in that case?
Love the thread and your guides and any pointers are greatly appreciated!
you wrote at one point that an arcane sorc would make a better dc sorc than a sage if the Varns DLC is missing.
I'm very curious how you would build one, you mentioned at one point that it would be a gnome illusionist, what other focus would be good in that case?
Love the thread and your guides and any pointers are greatly appreciated!
InEffect
know-it-all
Registered: Apr 2013
From Russian Federation
Posted April 02, 2021
you wrote at one point that an arcane sorc would make a better dc sorc than a sage if the Varns DLC is missing.
I'm very curious how you would build one, you mentioned at one point that it would be a gnome illusionist, what other focus would be good in that case?
Love the thread and your guides and any pointers are greatly appreciated!
Marte1980
New User
Registered: May 2015
From Italy
Trickygnosis
New User
Registered: May 2021
From Spain
Posted May 20, 2021
Hello InEffect, first of all, thanks for the job you do, its awesome.
I want to play a halfling crusader "follower" of Gorum named Bozh. plate armor, greatsword, chaotic neutral/evil/good.
Ive asked my broter to write a short stoy based on my idea, its here translated to english. Hope you can help me, im more interested into rp than min/max and everywhere i search they say its an awfull class and combination.
In normal difficulty, alongside with Valery, Linzy, Harrim, Amiri and Ekun mainly. Want to do all companion quests tho.
Many thanks in advance.
-Trickygnosis.
"I have always had a bad memory, but within that fact there are moments in my life that I remember with a certain intensity and then the great lagoon that will always accompany me.
I remember my childhood in a blurry way, moments of games with other children who, although they were my age, were always taller than me: wooden swords, initiations to magic ... always with the eyes of the wisest of the human tribe. who adopted me positions in me. I tried harder than the rest, I always gave a little more in each decision I made, and although I ended up taking the clergyman's vows and became brotherly with the rest of the members of my order (worshipers of Gorum) I always had to stand out precisely because I was different. . The personal and external demand took a toll on me.
Perhaps that demand was the reason that when I reached my twenties I rebelled against the world around me, although perhaps I did it because I simply could. Thanks to my constant training since childhood I could handle a greatsword with great precision and inflict pain and death on my adversaries, I could bear the heavy load of a heavy armor whose metal pieces protected me from any threat and if this was not enough I could heal myself myself using the positive energy that flows in the universe.
I am middle-aged and that I could never change, but despite being in a hostile environment on many occasions I got ahead among the humans who found me in my earliest childhood, not only did I get ahead but I also became the best in each discipline in which I was trained.
Perhaps that is also why I abandoned my tribe and went out into the world.
Then comes the blackout. My amnesia has taken my
first years of adventures that I experienced.
However, this last year it seems that my mind is recovering, I remember the prayers of my religion, I remember the projects in which I embarked and above all I remember the missions that have been assigned to me in my work as a mercenary. Despite the fact that I have a bad temper that seems to be returning chronic and I do not accept the natural order of things at practically no time, I keep moving forward looking for new adventures, which I do not know if I will remember in a few years.
Tomorrow I have a meeting at the Aldori mansion, all the rumors suggest that different expeditions to the Stolen Lands will be opened, perhaps my true moment is coming and it may be me who claims the right to the barony after ending the bandit that is made call king."
In "short": Halfling, Greatsword, Plate armor, Crusader, Gorum (war, str, chaos?)
Found by a human clan/tribe fanatics of Gorum when was a baby, made a war cleric for his affinity with the god.
After an existential crisis he left his tribe to travel as a mercenary and thus find himself, at the same time the story of the game begins...
I want to play a halfling crusader "follower" of Gorum named Bozh. plate armor, greatsword, chaotic neutral/evil/good.
Ive asked my broter to write a short stoy based on my idea, its here translated to english. Hope you can help me, im more interested into rp than min/max and everywhere i search they say its an awfull class and combination.
In normal difficulty, alongside with Valery, Linzy, Harrim, Amiri and Ekun mainly. Want to do all companion quests tho.
Many thanks in advance.
-Trickygnosis.
"I have always had a bad memory, but within that fact there are moments in my life that I remember with a certain intensity and then the great lagoon that will always accompany me.
I remember my childhood in a blurry way, moments of games with other children who, although they were my age, were always taller than me: wooden swords, initiations to magic ... always with the eyes of the wisest of the human tribe. who adopted me positions in me. I tried harder than the rest, I always gave a little more in each decision I made, and although I ended up taking the clergyman's vows and became brotherly with the rest of the members of my order (worshipers of Gorum) I always had to stand out precisely because I was different. . The personal and external demand took a toll on me.
Perhaps that demand was the reason that when I reached my twenties I rebelled against the world around me, although perhaps I did it because I simply could. Thanks to my constant training since childhood I could handle a greatsword with great precision and inflict pain and death on my adversaries, I could bear the heavy load of a heavy armor whose metal pieces protected me from any threat and if this was not enough I could heal myself myself using the positive energy that flows in the universe.
I am middle-aged and that I could never change, but despite being in a hostile environment on many occasions I got ahead among the humans who found me in my earliest childhood, not only did I get ahead but I also became the best in each discipline in which I was trained.
Perhaps that is also why I abandoned my tribe and went out into the world.
Then comes the blackout. My amnesia has taken my
first years of adventures that I experienced.
However, this last year it seems that my mind is recovering, I remember the prayers of my religion, I remember the projects in which I embarked and above all I remember the missions that have been assigned to me in my work as a mercenary. Despite the fact that I have a bad temper that seems to be returning chronic and I do not accept the natural order of things at practically no time, I keep moving forward looking for new adventures, which I do not know if I will remember in a few years.
Tomorrow I have a meeting at the Aldori mansion, all the rumors suggest that different expeditions to the Stolen Lands will be opened, perhaps my true moment is coming and it may be me who claims the right to the barony after ending the bandit that is made call king."
In "short": Halfling, Greatsword, Plate armor, Crusader, Gorum (war, str, chaos?)
Found by a human clan/tribe fanatics of Gorum when was a baby, made a war cleric for his affinity with the god.
After an existential crisis he left his tribe to travel as a mercenary and thus find himself, at the same time the story of the game begins...
Post edited May 20, 2021 by Trickygnosis
ENSilLosco
New User
Registered: Feb 2017
From Italy
Posted May 22, 2021
Hello,
your character and class guide are excellent and have been very useful for me tu understand how mechanics work, and which are the most useful, in the game.
I am having a lot of problems in making a character that follows my... tastes, and so I thought to ask for your help, please:
Difficulty is Challenging, I want some kind of arcane caster in heavy armour. Possibly focused on the spells rather than the sword swinging, and I want them to be a normal person. None of those weird mutations, special ancestries from dragons, demons and whatever, transforming into monsters or having a divine godfather filling the character with magic juice.
A good old school character, from the times when men were men, mages were men, and dragons were dragons and not your shapeshifting character with three different archetipes.
your character and class guide are excellent and have been very useful for me tu understand how mechanics work, and which are the most useful, in the game.
I am having a lot of problems in making a character that follows my... tastes, and so I thought to ask for your help, please:
Difficulty is Challenging, I want some kind of arcane caster in heavy armour. Possibly focused on the spells rather than the sword swinging, and I want them to be a normal person. None of those weird mutations, special ancestries from dragons, demons and whatever, transforming into monsters or having a divine godfather filling the character with magic juice.
A good old school character, from the times when men were men, mages were men, and dragons were dragons and not your shapeshifting character with three different archetipes.