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Posted March 08, 2013
Pretty deadly little thing.

Captain, I have some new information regarding "The Aristocrats". No, they're still laying low after their last heist, so low that we haven't seen Don or Freddie since the meeting with "The Boss". Someone might've hid them underground but we won't know for sure just now. Anyway, there's a new girl that was seen with Rick Fermione. She from outta town, don know exactly where. Seems a member of the borguise. It's bourgeoisie? Don't know sir, some fancy stuff I don't get--pearls, caviars, and champagnes, sir. Yes, one of my boys is following her. Yes, I know this is very delicate matter. Oh, the mayor... no, of course, no, I mean I'll talk to... Yes sir. No one seen. The report, yes. The last thing, sir--and this is a little bit unexpected--it looks like "The Aristocrats" are planning to move to a new district, any moment now. Can't tell for sure, but my bet is Connecticut Ave. We'll see. Will do, sir. Goodbye.

Omerta: City of Gangsters, an organized crime simulation you have been playing for the last couple of weeks just got bigger with The Con Artist DLC. There's a new henchman to recruit, new weapon, and a new district up for grabs. Experience "the greatest con of all time" in this action-packed expansion for only $4.99 on GOG.com.

Requires the base game Omerta: City of Gangsters on GOG in order to play.
Posted March 08, 2013
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crazy_dave: Except there is nothing to be done with DLC - either they offer it or they don't. The DLC is DRM-free as is the base-game on GOG. That's the best they can do with new games + DLC, even if that DLC was as meaty as a full expansion. With DRM-free they had another path to take. There isn't one with DLC.
Did you mean “There isn’t one without DLC.”? If not, I don’t understand the last two sentences. :(

Ok, if the DLC is drm-free, that’s fine, but does it allow me e.g. to buy a game on Steam and then the DLC on GOG? I doubt so. And that’s the point: it comes to store-DRM. On the DRM-side like Steam as well as on the supposedly DRM-free side of GOG.com.

That brings us back to the question if GOG should offer DLCs. Under that circumstances they shouldn’t. At least not until they can guarantee that I can use their DLC with my somewhere else bought base game. If they cannot – the DLC is bound to GOG, forces us to buy both here, restricts us, bound us. Store-DRM.
Posted March 08, 2013
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Fuzzyfireball: If you didn't see this move coming, you're blind as a fuckin bat.

I don't mind the move, but $5 for that? No.
Didn't see this coming. No reason for it to happen before now. GOG is mostly old games. What new games they have are mostly indis that don't get DLC. And normally what little that gets added in for free. Like the Aplha Centuri expantions or the HD verisons of Stronghold Crusader and Stranger's Wrath. In both those cases that was more content for free than this is for $5.

I don't think this is totally a bad idea but it's not off to a good start and DLC really shouldn't have its own page unless it's something huge. Which this isn't.
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keeveek: So, dumb masses of people rate something 1 star and don't even own nor the DLC or the base game?

GOG cult gets dumber and dumber...

It's high time to allow game rating and reviewing only for people who bought the game
Hardly fair. Why should I be forbidden to right a review for a game I love like Unreal because I bought a disk copy before I joined GOG?
Post edited March 08, 2013 by Johnmourby
Posted March 08, 2013
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ZivilSword: That brings us back to the question if GOG should offer DLCs. Under that circumstances they shouldn’t. At least not until they can guarantee that I can use their DLC with my somewhere else bought base game. If they cannot – the DLC is bound to GOG, forces us to buy both here, restricts us, bound us. Store-DRM.
That's some twisted logic here, the DLC is not bound to GoG, the DLC is "bound" to the DRM-free version of the game... after, it's not GoG fault nor responsibility if nobody else sells the DRM-free version of the games.

If the game was available DRM-free elsewhere and GoG's DLC wasn't working on this version then it would be different but here it's not the case.
Posted March 08, 2013
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Fuzzyfireball: If you didn't see this move coming, you're blind as a fuckin bat.

I don't mind the move, but $5 for that? No.
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Johnmourby: Didn't see this coming. No reason for it to happen before now. GOG is mostly old games. What new games they have are mostly indis that don't get DLC. And normally what little that gets added in for free. Like the Aplha Centuri expantions or the HD verisons of Stronghold Crusader and Stranger's Wrath. In both those cases that was more content for free than this is for $5.

I don't think this is totally a bad idea but it's not off to a good start and DLC really shouldn't have its own page unless it's something huge. Which this isn't.
Yes, but GOG has wanted to offer newer titles for a long time. They obviously where not having much luck. DLC is just (sadly) a part of gaming nowadays. They need to seem as appealing as possible, without breaking their core values.

Also I agree that it's badly implemented. Would be better to just list the DLC on the main game's page.
Posted March 08, 2013
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ZivilSword:
Yours is probably the only rational anti-DLC argument here.
The store binding is a bit annoying. If there was another version of a game (not necessarily Omerta) that was not linked to GOG but was DRM-free, would their DLC system still work for that game?

If so, then the problem isn't so much GOG's fault as it is the DRM of other platforms not allowing a DRM-free addon.

Other than that, I really see no problem with why GOG should not expand. New games, more publishers, more games.
They're trying something out, and like any new system, there will be some kinks to work out.
Posted March 08, 2013
I agree with the vote with your wallet ethic.

I actually want to play Omerta, but I feel the $40 price tage is excessive even for a new game when it is not boxed and with a ton of SE / CE goodies, so I am patiently waiting for it to go on 60%+ sale or just drop to a more acceptable (by me) price.
As for the DLC, well GOG have so far and will (please do not let me down) continue to give us the best of the gaming world they can, with expantions and other goodies included. The Witcher 2 gets used here a lot for good reason, as should System Shock 2 and Broken Sword.
The thing is we want new games here on GOG, and they try. The modern gaming market is money hungry, customer wringing, and generally piss-poor AAA games without the $60 of DLC. We all know that DLC is part and parcel of modern gaming, the best part is that if we do not want it, we just do not buy it. We can in fact tailor make a game we want by buying what we want, and ignoring crap like $5 for 4mb (I do not have it, but that must be in the game already right?).
For an ending point though it is the publishers we should be mad at,we all know GOG let the publishers choose the pricing level for their games, and this DLC is £3.49 on Steam currently, so no matter where you go it is Haemimont Games and Kalypso to blame for this price and quality. GOG just sell the games and rightly so they should give people the option of DLC for a game they own, it is then down to the player to choose if they want the DLC. GOG wont tell you that you must, and if they could I am sure they would have tried to bundle this into the game (please keep doing that) to kept their customers happy.

I though, for one will be voting with my wallet as it is all the publishers and developers understand these days.
I will also like to point out to any further developers/publishers who think about this on GOG- pay for DLC is fine, so long as it is worth the price of admission and after 1-3 years you bundle it all (you stingy SOBs) into a GOTY or "complete" edition.
I can wait or live without, can you financially survive long enough to get my money?
Posted March 08, 2013
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ZivilSword: That brings us back to the question if GOG should offer DLCs. Under that circumstances they shouldn’t. At least not until they can guarantee that I can use their DLC with my somewhere else bought base game.
How should they do that? How should GOG be able to offer a DLC that is compatible with every other version of the base game offered on the internet? Sorry, but that's irrational to ask for.
Posted March 08, 2013
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crazy_dave: Except there is nothing to be done with DLC - either they offer it or they don't. The DLC is DRM-free as is the base-game on GOG. That's the best they can do with new games + DLC, even if that DLC was as meaty as a full expansion. With DRM-free they had another path to take. There isn't one with DLC.
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ZivilSword: Did you mean “There isn’t one without DLC.”? If not, I don’t understand the last two sentences. :(

Ok, if the DLC is drm-free, that’s fine, but does it allow me e.g. to buy a game on Steam and then the DLC on GOG? I doubt so. And that’s the point: it comes to store-DRM. On the DRM-side like Steam as well as on the supposedly DRM-free side of GOG.com.

That brings us back to the question if GOG should offer DLCs. Under that circumstances they shouldn’t. At least not until they can guarantee that I can use their DLC with my somewhere else bought base game. If they cannot – the DLC is bound to GOG, forces us to buy both here, restricts us, bound us. Store-DRM.
Gersen pretty much covered it, They can't guarantee that GOG DLC will work with Steam's DRM version and definitely not visa-versa because has DRM and ties everything to Steam. You can fault the way DLC works and say GOG shouldn't offer DLC at all, but in that case GOG would be offering an inferior product to every other retailer and people who bought the base game on GOG would be screwed out of the extra content if they wanted it. GOG does not control if DLC gets released, the developer/publisher does. This is part of releasing new games - new games often have DLC. If GOG does not offer it, then people who get the game on GOG will have to re-buy the game elsewhere and GOG cannot control when or how or if DLC gets released.
Post edited March 08, 2013 by crazy_dave
Posted March 08, 2013
Omerta is the worst case of GOG.Speculative selling new item turn out to be hell of DLCs.
Posted March 08, 2013
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MDyzzle: GOG.com was build upon a foundation of delivering the best value to gamers. We know gamers are not stupid, and we know they won't buy anything we serve just because it's there. Of course we'd like to include all the DLCs, extra materials, soundtracks for free, but that's not always possible. For some of the games, it's possible to bundle all the expansions (or DLCs) in one package, for some it ain't. I can understand that you might be afraid that we're losing our values, but we're not. All we want is DELIVER the games. At the end, it's always YOU who decide--buy or skip. And we'd rather give you that choice now.
Fair enough, it's always best to have choice. Though to be honest, waiting to get a decent chunk of DLC for a higher rated game would probably have made it easier for GOG. I hope in time GOG will try to combine it all into a single bundle.

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011284mm: I agree with the vote with your wallet ethic.

I actually want to play Omerta, but I feel the $40 price tage is excessive even for a new game when it is not boxed and with a ton of SE / CE goodies, so I am patiently waiting for it to go on 60%+ sale or just drop to a more acceptable (by me) price.
As for the DLC, well GOG have so far and will (please do not let me down) continue to give us the best of the gaming world they can, with expantions and other goodies included. The Witcher 2 gets used here a lot for good reason, as should System Shock 2 and Broken Sword.
The thing is we want new games here on GOG, and they try. The modern gaming market is money hungry, customer wringing, and generally piss-poor AAA games without the $60 of DLC. We all know that DLC is part and parcel of modern gaming, the best part is that if we do not want it, we just do not buy it. We can in fact tailor make a game we want by buying what we want, and ignoring crap like $5 for 4mb (I do not have it, but that must be in the game already right?).
For an ending point though it is the publishers we should be mad at,we all know GOG let the publishers choose the pricing level for their games, and this DLC is £3.49 on Steam currently, so no matter where you go it is Haemimont Games and Kalypso to blame for this price and quality. GOG just sell the games and rightly so they should give people the option of DLC for a game they own, it is then down to the player to choose if they want the DLC. GOG wont tell you that you must, and if they could I am sure they would have tried to bundle this into the game (please keep doing that) to kept their customers happy.

I though, for one will be voting with my wallet as it is all the publishers and developers understand these days.
I will also like to point out to any further developers/publishers who think about this on GOG- pay for DLC is fine, so long as it is worth the price of admission and after 1-3 years you bundle it all (you stingy SOBs) into a GOTY or "complete" edition.
I can wait or live without, can you financially survive long enough to get my money?
+1
Post edited March 08, 2013 by MichaelFurlong
Posted March 08, 2013
Sorry, but was under the impression GoG games are complete (when possible) ...

I have no objection to pay extra for complete pack that includes everything but NO to DLC, ever.
Introduction of paid DLCs was (and still is) shameful moment for all old gamers, sorry GoG but DLC is nowhere near "Good Games" (old or new).

Please, do not distribute games that will have DLC, put it clear to all companies wanting to distribute here, it's not just another steam-like service!
Posted March 08, 2013
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tfishell: Yes. Perhaps GOG is better off waiting for a specific title that will be known to have DLC to "collect" all its DLC/expansions into a finished/complete edition, and then bringing that.
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StingingVelvet: Why? Why not sell them like this for those who want it, then collect everything into a bundle when the publisher ends support for the game? I don't see a difference.

This whole thread reeks of "stop being okay with things I am not okay with!"
In the past GOG has made a big deal about not engaging in this sort of thing, IIRC, this is just one more sign that they've sold out.

I don't personally like it because there's only so many more things they can sell out on before they become mini-Steam and the whole thing just reeks of "I've changed the deal, pray I don't change it more."
Posted March 08, 2013
Instabuy!
Posted March 08, 2013
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Howdy, guys. I'm on vacation in Paris with family, so apologies for my slow response. This is a sensitive topic, so I don't blame Judas for leaving this up to me to answer. :)

As many of you have noted: GOG.com's move into new gaming nearly a year ago--which many of you guys have supported with your wallets--more or less required that we start selling DLC. As game explore new business models--such as DLC--we are required to adapt to match these new models or else avoid offering these games at all. Since games such as Omerta offer a lot to classic gamers who want to try something new, we have decided to start offering DLC for those gamers who would like to purchase it.

You are, of course, free to "vote with your wallets". If we see that games with DLC do noticeably worse than games without, we're probably not going to sign games with plans to release downloadable content in the future.

There are some catches, though. One of which is when great games that we've signed end up developing DLC after they've found their game is very successful. One example of this is something like Legend of Grimrock, which did excellently on GOG.com, and which the devs eventually talked about making an expansion for until they decided to break it out inro a whole new sequel. if they'd decided to add an expansion pack as a DLC, would you rather that we never add it? That we only add it after a year or two? We can't add DLC at our own costs, or else GOG.com quickly finds ourself no longer a business, but instead a charity where we give you all of our profits to maks sure that your DLCs remain free.

In order to justify the fact that we're taking your money for new games--games that have launched new on GOG.com as well as other stores--we need to offer DLC that these developers have created as soon as we can, or else we'll be offering inferior games for sale. Which, as I'm sure you can imagine, will make no one happy. :)

Of course, we're going to listen to you on how you think we should present these games to make it clear to you that there's more to it than the base purchase. And--of course--we will continue to do everything that we can to make your purchase feel special and loaded with goodies and customer love.

It's been a long time since we established our core values as "DRM-Free, Fair Prices, and Customer Love." We don't have any intent of abandoning this in the near future--or ever--so we hope you're willing to be part of this experiment (as one of many that we're trying out this year) to see if signing new games with DLC works for us.

And for you.
Posted March 08, 2013
Alot of people counter-arguing with 'vote with your wallet'. I don't completely agree with this mentality. I expect a certain amount of QA on the part of the DD. There's a reason I don't want to see GoG turn into an apps market, where it's just flooded with junk that I have to sift through and do extra research on before deciding what to buy. I enjoy at least some level of pre-filtering.
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