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For me personally I think it is helpful to get an overview of the clue situation up to this point:

1. Telika - ?
2. JMich - 8 male and 8 female
3. Flubbucket - The murderer's accomplices are English
4. QuadrAlien -The corpse had lipstick in his pocket
5. Robbeasy - Caroline Bianchi has a taste for aniseed balls
6. Vitek - ?
7. p1na - Peter Browning is an ex-military
8. amok - :(
9. DarkoD13 - ?
10. CSPVG - fresh ski tracks every morning
11. Twilightbard - Prefer not to say
12. SirPrimalform - ?
13. nmillar - ?
14. Red_Baron - The killer is female
15. Zchinque - Prefer not to to say

Correct me if anything is wrong.

(and I apologise, I mixed up Flubs and Reds clues in my head, the killer is not an english woman (though she can still be english), but her partners are)
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nmillar: very much like my own PM, there is no mention of skiing ability in anybody's PM.
So your answer is "there is no mention of having or lacking skiing abilities, in my PM" ?

Awaiting the next individual answers on that.
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nmillar: very much like my own PM, there is no mention of skiing ability in anybody's PM.
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Telika: So your answer is "there is no mention of having or lacking skiing abilities, in my PM" ?

Awaiting the next individual answers on that.
I'm disappointed that I'm finally going to have to drop Robbeasy from my suspected mafia and put you in instead. The opening post clearly states that nobody in attendance has the ability to ski, yet you're going to continue with this pointless line of questioning? It seems you're just trying to distract people with this.
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Telika: So your answer is "there is no mention of having or lacking skiing abilities, in my PM" ?

Awaiting the next individual answers on that.
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nmillar: I'm disappointed that I'm finally going to have to drop Robbeasy from my suspected mafia and put you in instead. The opening post clearly states that nobody in attendance has the ability to ski, yet you're going to continue with this pointless line of questioning? It seems you're just trying to distract people with this.
somebody do, as SCVG has observed fresh ski tracks each morning and there were ski tracks leading away from the murder
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Telika: So your answer is "there is no mention of having or lacking skiing abilities, in my PM" ?

Awaiting the next individual answers on that.
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nmillar: I'm disappointed that I'm finally going to have to drop Robbeasy from my suspected mafia and put you in instead. The opening post clearly states that nobody in attendance has the ability to ski, yet you're going to continue with this pointless line of questioning? It seems you're just trying to distract people with this.
Sorry for having distracted you.

I'm waiting for the next individual answers. No need to put much thought in it, It's a simple straightforward question, that can be answered in 3 seconds, before carrying on with the important stuff.
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nmillar: I'm disappointed that I'm finally going to have to drop Robbeasy from my suspected mafia and put you in instead. The opening post clearly states that nobody in attendance has the ability to ski, yet you're going to continue with this pointless line of questioning? It seems you're just trying to distract people with this.
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amok: somebody do, as SCVG has observed fresh ski tracks each morning and there were ski tracks leading away from the murder
Hmm, there's also the mention of 3 tracks made by skis in the first post, so perhaps I jumped the gun a bit. I'll leverage Robbeasy back into my mafia for now.

JMich's clue concerns me though - it just seems to be repeating information that is freely available in the original post.
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nmillar: JMich's clue concerns me though - it just seems to be repeating information that is freely available in the original post.
It does? Weird, [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_19_a_slalom_mafia/post8]previous [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_19_a_slalom_mafia/post24]provided a different number of participants. Then we also have and [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_19_a_slalom_mafia/post123]amok both claimed to have not been named in the opening post. So what information is available in the opening post again? Would you care to list the males and females we have, then count the players?
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nmillar: JMich's clue concerns me though - it just seems to be repeating information that is freely available in the original post.
The original post mentionned 8 women (including the npc) and 7 men (including the dead).
no mention of skiing in PM for me. Which means I probably can, because I'm self-proclaimed awesome like that.
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SirPrimalform: So you think it was an easy mistake to make and that Zchinque's [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_19_a_slalom_mafia/post151]wasn't clear?
I've seen worse. ;-)

Mainly I don't see any real mafia intentions behind it.
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SirPrimalform: So you think it was an easy mistake to make and that Zchinque's [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_19_a_slalom_mafia/post151]wasn't clear?
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Vitek: I've seen worse. ;-)

Mainly I don't see any real mafia intentions behind it.
Well he has a clear motivation for making such a 'mistake', he's now openly stated that he wants all the clues.


Well it's hard to know why amok wants the clues, but now he has claimed a specific reason for wanting them it makes his mix up much worse. I think he was attempting to manipulate the discussion to further his agenda. Now I don't know how he's going to use them, but the fact that he was willing to do what he did to try and get the clues doesn't inspire confidence in his towniness for me.
Well in regards to Telika's question, I see no reason why not have people mention it.

For myself I can say that while my role have nothing in it about ski's specifically I believe I would find it rather impossible to ski. Perhaps a little with the help of the lovely Prudence, but even that I doubt.

And in regards to the whole clue debacle lets just get them on the table. Also a correction, its not killer - its murderer. I dunno if it makes a difference, but I have experienced mafia's games where wording like that mattered.
Red_Baron: It's early, so I don't feel like untangling the knot of quotations in post 350*, so I'll simply responded to you point by point. I hope you don't mind.

1) I can see how you could construe it as such, but I never meant to say that you were trying to get a lynch wagon going on JMich. I can see how you could have gotten that from my post, though, and I apologise for that. I do, however, think that it's a little suspect that you went from voting for amok to voting for Zchinque in such a short space of time.

2) The way I read that situation, it still seems to me that amok's claim was unprompted. Amok went from," I may be a little different." to, " I am most definitely different, and may even have a power of sorts." and then went completely off the rails with," I'm a little St. Bernard, I have a little keg of rum around my neck. All the fellows down at the local St. Bernard's Weekly Meet and Greet think I'm decent at it. We dress up in little costumes and pretend to rescue people stuck in the snow. Me? Well, I do it for the thrill. We rescue each other, feed each other rum, and then set about barking at one another." I may have gone to far with that last one.

So I don't see anyone, really, as having much to do with it. Which is actually not something in amok's favour. Totally unprompted claims like amok's aren't usually very beneficial to town, as it means that we have to focus on that person, perhaps missing other vital slips or clues.

3) Perhaps 'dodgy' is the incorrect term to use. I should, perhaps, rather say that I find your reasoning unsavoury, as simply lynching someone for being 'different' seems like the shortest way to not actually scum hunting on day one to me.

This not because I do not believe that either of your proposed lynch candidates is suspect, but rather because my feeling about them at this time is that they are both neutrals. Lynching someone that doesn't have directly 'evil' or anti-town motives, seems a little contrary to the point of the entire game to me.

Furthermore, I still don't see how lynching either of them would provide us with more information than lynching you or myself would. Yes, we would know their roles, but that's about it. We certainly wouldn't have lynched them because of their roles, and knowing their roles isn't helpful information in and of itself once they're dead. So I still don't get this 'information lynch' idea. I still maintain that most information from a lynch comes not from the party that was lynched, but rather from analysing the party that did the lyncing.

In closing, I'm starting to feel that we're having the typical day one townie argument. This feels almost exactly like the argument I had with JMich in Telika's game.

To Everyone: Do you feel that Red_Baron is in any way scummy?

SirPrimalForm: I also got the impression that Zchinque's stance was," I wouldn't be happy to share, but if that's what everyone wants, I'll do it." So I don't feel that amok's," Yes, if forced to." when talking about Zchinque's stance was that far from the truth.

Telika: My PM mentions nothing about my skiing ability, but then again the opening flavour post pretty much says that none of the townies can actually ski. Would you be so kind as to reveal your skiing ability.

*Thank you to JMich for getting that post to work on the forum.
@Telika :

No mention of an ability to ski in my PM.

@CSPVG :

Not overly - he's jumping around a bit, but it's day1.


In general - I STILL believe Amok's claim, but I do also concur he may be holding a little something back. I see no reason to believe he could be Mafia.

Reasons for believing he's not Mafia..

1) Would a Mafia player make an unprompted role claim - so early?! All focus comes onto them, not something any Mafia player would want this early in the game.

2) The role is believable - and by extension you could not imagine the dead persons dog to be mafia. A neutral perhaps, but not Mafia.

3) We only have one day to discuss the clues. Now think about it. CLUES. TO A MURDER. A MURDER WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE. I've thought about it, and I can't see how this can do anything other than help Town. Im guessing Mafia can lie about their clues, but again - the Mafia are responsible for the murder, why would they get clues in the first place??!! If we all get our clues out in the open, the Mafia would be forced to lie about their clues - if they indeed have one in their PM's - more chance then to catch them out.
This is why I'm starting to seriously doubt those who are against the clue giving.
The only thing that worries me is that Amok has already stated he has no clue....but that would be a highly ballsy move from a Mafia player.

In fact Amok's whole stance - claim, reasoning, role etc would be a very ballsy move by a Mafia player, and I don't think it is so. Neutral? Perhaps. But for me , his call for clues points to town behaviour.
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Robbeasy: 3) We only have one day to discuss the clues. Now think about it. CLUES. TO A MURDER. A MURDER WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE.
Are they all clues to solving the murder? Because unless the murderer's character is being named in mine (which I don't think we can assume because it would make the game pretty unfair*), it's not about the murderer. More likely it points to a power role so I'm not really sure whether it's beneficial to reveal or not.

*I say unfair because if we were told the murderer's names then we'd be able to catch them simply by massclaiming our names. Since nearly all of the names are listed in the OP, it would be pretty trivial to work out who the mafia are by a process of elimination (they can't falseclaim because they'd be counterclaimed).