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sunshinecorp: It's obvious that you don't get the attitude, because it's not "if I can't have it, no one can", it's "if they're going to exclude one of us, the rest of us refuse to buy it as well". It's not selfish, it's taking a stand.
I was also wondering if you'll even add the link to the nay booth on the OP. But no matter, the nays are nearing five times the yays regardless.
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BKGaming: So you taking you stand on GOG? Were it's not going to matter at all in the grand scheme of things and effect everyone. Doesn't make much sense.
I'm taking a stand everywhere, since I've never bought any region locked film, ever, anywhere. No, going to the cinema doesn't count. Since GOG is new and still virgin at this, I'd rather not have it soiled. If this new store, and others that may follow, begin taking a stand, the pockets of those behind such archaic policies will eventually begin to hurt. And like it's been said before, the only way to change such a policy, is to deny to pay money to people who enforce it. That not enough shops and/or people do it and it won't make a dent IS NOT AN EXCUSE NOT TO TAKE A STAND.
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BKGaming: So you taking you stand on GOG? Were it's not going to matter at all in the grand scheme of things and effect everyone. Doesn't make much sense.
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sunshinecorp: I'm taking a stand everywhere, since I've never bought any region locked film, ever, anywhere. No, going to the cinema doesn't count. Since GOG is new and still virgin at this, I'd rather not have it soiled. If this new store, and others that may follow, begin taking a stand, the pockets of those behind such archaic policies will eventually begin to hurt. And like it's been said before, the only way to change such a policy, is to deny to pay money to people who enforce it. That not enough shops and/or people do it and it won't make a dent IS NOT AN EXCUSE NOT TO TAKE A STAND.
Again that doesn't make sense at all. So instead of getting behind logical gains that can improve the situation somewhat, you instead put your feet firmly in the ground because it's not enough and change nothing? That's effectively what your doing by not getting behind this, changing nothing... however if GOG does do this... it's progress over what we get now with digital stores Sorry but your not making it better and your not helping the situation. Your helping to keep the status quo.
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sunshinecorp: I'm taking a stand everywhere, since I've never bought any region locked film, ever, anywhere. No, going to the cinema doesn't count. Since GOG is new and still virgin at this, I'd rather not have it soiled. If this new store, and others that may follow, begin taking a stand, the pockets of those behind such archaic policies will eventually begin to hurt. And like it's been said before, the only way to change such a policy, is to deny to pay money to people who enforce it. That not enough shops and/or people do it and it won't make a dent IS NOT AN EXCUSE NOT TO TAKE A STAND.
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BKGaming: Again that doesn't make sense at all. So instead of getting behind logical gains that can improve the situation somewhat, you instead put your feet firmly in the ground because it's not enough and change nothing? That's effectively what your doing by not getting behind this, changing nothing... however if GOG does do this... it's progress over what we get now with digital stores Sorry but your not making it better and your not helping the situation. Your helping to keep the status quo.
The gains improving the situation isn't a logical argument for me, so it's you that doesn't make sense at all. Gains only mean that their enforcing of the policy of regional locks still works. It's quite obvious that we won't agree, but again it does not matter since the vast majority here on GOG is against region lock.
Post edited October 18, 2014 by sunshinecorp
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BKGaming: Again that doesn't make sense at all. So instead of getting behind logical gains that can improve the situation somewhat, you instead put your feet firmly in the ground because it's not enough and change nothing? That's effectively what your doing by not getting behind this, changing nothing... however if GOG does do this... it's progress over what we get now with digital stores Sorry but your not making it better and your not helping the situation. Your helping to keep the status quo.
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sunshinecorp: The gains improving the situation isn't a logical argument for me, so it's you that doesn't make sense at all. Gains only mean that their enforcing of the policy of regional locks still works. It's quite obvious that we won't agree, but again it does not matter since the vast majority here on GOG is against region lock.
Were making gains in the DRM free department... we can download a GOG movie and put it on any device we own without being tied to a service like iTunes. We are making gains in region locking (if correct that's enforced through the site), since we may not be able to buy it in a country were it's not sold but still should be able to use it if we go there since the file is DRM free.

So again what digital store selling movies does that now and how is that not a gain over others?
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sunshinecorp: I'm taking a stand everywhere, since I've never bought any region locked film, ever, anywhere. No, going to the cinema doesn't count. Since GOG is new and still virgin at this, I'd rather not have it soiled. If this new store, and others that may follow, begin taking a stand, the pockets of those behind such archaic policies will eventually begin to hurt. And like it's been said before, the only way to change such a policy, is to deny to pay money to people who enforce it. That not enough shops and/or people do it and it won't make a dent IS NOT AN EXCUSE NOT TO TAKE A STAND.
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BKGaming: Again that doesn't make sense at all. So instead of getting behind logical gains that can improve the situation somewhat, you instead put your feet firmly in the ground because it's not enough and change nothing? That's effectively what your doing by not getting behind this, changing nothing... however if GOG does do this... it's progress over what we get now with digital stores Sorry but your not making it better and your not helping the situation. Your helping to keep the status quo.
What kind of gains are you talking about?
As i said Valve with steam sells million of units but there are still region locked content in there.

If your argument had been correct, steam woud have abolished regional locked content long ago.
Post edited October 18, 2014 by Lodium
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BKGaming: Again that doesn't make sense at all. So instead of getting behind logical gains that can improve the situation somewhat, you instead put your feet firmly in the ground because it's not enough and change nothing? That's effectively what your doing by not getting behind this, changing nothing... however if GOG does do this... it's progress over what we get now with digital stores Sorry but your not making it better and your not helping the situation. Your helping to keep the status quo.
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Lodium: What kind of gains are you talking about?
As i said Valve with steam sells million of units but there are still region locked content in there.

If your argument had been correct, steam woud have abolished regional locked content long ago.
See above, and not sure why you sticking with the steam argument... were talking movies not games. And I don't think GOG region locks games at all, but I could be wrong.


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BKGaming: Were making gains in the DRM free department... we can download a GOG movie and put it on any device we own without being tied to a service like iTunes. We are making gains in region locking (if correct that's enforced through the site), since we may not be able to buy it in a country were it's not sold but still should be able to use it if we go there since the file is DRM free.

So again what digital store selling movies does that now and how is that not a gain over others?
Post edited October 18, 2014 by BKGaming
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Lodium: What kind of gains are you talking about?
As i said Valve with steam sells million of units but there are still region locked content in there.

If your argument had been correct, steam woud have abolished regional locked content long ago.
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BKGaming: See above, and not sure why you sticking with the steam argument... were talking movies not games. And I don't think GOG region locks games at all, but I could be wrong.

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BKGaming: Were making gains in the DRM free department... we can download a GOG movie and put it on any device we own without being tied to a service like iTunes. We are making gains in region locking (if correct that's enforced through the site), since we may not be able to buy it in a country were it's not sold but still should be able to use it if we go there since the file is DRM free.

So again what digital store selling movies does that now and how is that not a gain over others?
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BKGaming:
Steam is more than games these days.
They have a decent amount of software forexample OpenCanvas, Black Ink to mention a few.
They also have some video.

So tell me again
what gains are you talking about
what you are asking for havent lead to any gains on steam whatsoever since there are still region locked content and there are still DRM infested games there.

Yes im aware that GoG is DRM free
But steam is Also DRM free acording to some
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Lodium: But steam is Also DRM free acording to some
There are a lot of games available DRM free on Steam. You don't even need to run them through Steam. It comes down to the publisher if they wish to enforce DRM, but I guess most do, at least on Steam. Not all.
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Lodium: Steam is more than games these days.
They have a decent amount of software forexample OpenCanvas, Black Ink to mention a few.
They also have some video.

So tell me again
what gains are you talking about
what you are asking for havent lead to any gains on steam whatsoever since there are still region locked content and there are still DRM infested games there.

Yes im aware that GoG is DRM free
But steam is Also DRM free acording to some
I don't know if your not reading or what?

Were are talking actual gains in digital movies and tv shows... that's it. Not gains in anything else. Steam does not sell movies and tv shows. Steam is irrelevant here. What happens on Steam has no effect on what happens on GOG.

If you compare what GOG is offering over what you get with say iTunes then you will understand. Have you ever bought a digital movie before? Were talking actual gains over other digital stores that sell MOVIES. There are gains which I've already pointed out twice and am not pointing out again. Read it.
Post edited October 18, 2014 by BKGaming
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Lodium: But steam is Also DRM free acording to some
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sunshinecorp: There are a lot of games available DRM free on Steam. You don't even need to run them through Steam. It comes down to the publisher if they wish to enforce DRM, but I guess most do, at least on Steam. Not all.
Yes im aware of that.
Just want an answer from him since what he ask for in a way already exist, but no gains on that platform have been achived.
DRM is still not abolished becuase its up publishers as you say, region locking is not abolished either.
And there are no problem proving it can be done and sell well on steam since its proven again and again that steam sells millions withouth DRM and withouth regional locking but they still havent abolished it yet.
Post edited October 18, 2014 by Lodium
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sunshinecorp: There are a lot of games available DRM free on Steam. You don't even need to run them through Steam. It comes down to the publisher if they wish to enforce DRM, but I guess most do, at least on Steam. Not all.
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Lodium: Yes im aware of that.
Just want an answer from him since what he ask for in a way already exist, but no gains on that platform have been achived.
DRM is still not abolished becuase its up publishers as you say, region locking is not abolished either.
And there are no problem proving it can be viabal on steam since its proven again and again that steam sells millions withouth DRM and withouth regional locking but they still havent abolished it yet.
And so what? So because Steam sell's product A with DRM but GOG sells the same product A without DRM that's not a gain because DRM is not abolished? You can't really be trying to make that argument.

The fact that's available somewhere, and not on Steam DRM free is a gain... I don't care how you look at it. Publishers may be making the decision but they also know they can't pick up sales from the second biggest digital storefront without taking away the DRM. Because GOG makes them do that to sell it here.

There are plenty of products available on Steam and GOG with no DRM... do you honestly think that would have happen without GOG taking the steps to move us to DRM free products. So were not suppose to consider that a gain I guess.
Post edited October 18, 2014 by BKGaming
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BKGaming: but they also know they can't pick up sales from the second biggest digital storefront without taking away the DRM
That's exactly what we want to happen to region locking. And it came from your own words.
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BKGaming: but they also know they can't pick up sales from the second biggest digital storefront without taking away the DRM
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sunshinecorp: That's exactly what we want to happen to region locking. And it came from your own words.
Again, so you focus on that... ask what gains we will get, then ignore all the other benefits GOG will give over iTunes or Amazon ect.

Then you fail to understand the movie industry is not like games. Normally with game one publisher puts out the game world-wide... so GOG only has to convince that publisher to sell everywhere.

Movies are different, multiple publishers publish a movie world-wide, so to get one movie here GOG has to contact multiple publishers and strike a deal. So if there are 6 publishers publishing the movie world-wide, GOG has to contact all of them and make a deal. This is unrealistic and will hamper getting any movies here over DRM or anything else. t's not the same as Games were GOG could do that.

So again your helping the status quo because "you want what you want" rather than what makes sense here...
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sunshinecorp: That's exactly what we want to happen to region locking. And it came from your own words.
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BKGaming: Again, so you focus on that... ask what gains we will get, then ignore all the other benefits GOG will give over iTunes or Amazon ect.

Then you fail to understand the movie industry is not like games. Normally with game one publisher puts out the game world-wide... so GOG only has to convince that publisher to sell everywhere.

Movies are different, multiple publishers publish a movie world-wide, so to get one movie here GOG has to contact multiple publishers and strike a deal. So if there are 6 publishers publishing the movie world-wide, GOG has to contact all of them and make a deal. This is unrealistic and will hamper getting any movies here over DRM or anything else. t's not the same as Games were GOG could do that.

So again your helping the status quo because "you want what you want" rather than what makes sense here...
Again you're saying the exact same things.
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BKGaming: Again, so you focus on that... ask what gains we will get, then ignore all the other benefits GOG will give over iTunes or Amazon ect.

Then you fail to understand the movie industry is not like games. Normally with game one publisher puts out the game world-wide... so GOG only has to convince that publisher to sell everywhere.

Movies are different, multiple publishers publish a movie world-wide, so to get one movie here GOG has to contact multiple publishers and strike a deal. So if there are 6 publishers publishing the movie world-wide, GOG has to contact all of them and make a deal. This is unrealistic and will hamper getting any movies here over DRM or anything else. t's not the same as Games were GOG could do that.

So again your helping the status quo because "you want what you want" rather than what makes sense here...
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sunshinecorp: Again you're saying the exact same things.
Because that makes sense, any one who clearing understands it would get that... So either you not being logical about this, or you really only care if you get what you want.