I bought the gift code directly.

If you don't like that I am trying to redeem it to my own account, just ignore that scenario.

Do you think it isn't DRM because the restriction doesn't apply to the purchaser?

I'm not sure why you keep arguing with me. I neither said that you are wrong for wanting GOG to drop this restriction or that it isn't DRM. I said that you are wrong for saying you can buy it directly, because you can't (because of this restriction).

Actually, you changed your argument halfway through.

You went from "you can't buy the DLC" to "you can't buy the DLC directly".

Being able to buy the DLC indirectly means that you can, in fact, buy the DLC.

So I'm not sure why you kept arguing with me after I explained how your original claim of being unable to buy the DLC was wrong. Does it make a difference that you can't buy it directly?

No? Well why are you bringing it up? That's pretty much moving the goalposts.
Yes? Then I can just change it to "well I bought the gift code directly", which I did.. and you just rejected/ignored it.

My answer is still Nay on Regional locking

I consider the Global Community here, not just myself

Granted, I wasn't one to expect current blockbuster movies here but rather more like "Mystery Science theater 3000" (or at least the movies they used)

If you put off doing it, then it doesn't work, besides you can act as a model...

But that's not important. How much extra time do you have on your hands when you don't watch movies or TV shows? I've started walking again, cleaning, working on paracord projects, making stuff for camping, and many other things that TV and movies just eat hours of time away from.

Just because you don't consume a particular type of entertainment doesn't mean you are lacking/missing something. I'm reminded as a child when I was not able to use the computer for a week or two, at first I was bored and had nothing to do, then all these things opened up that I was doing and being active on... When my computer was returned to me, I went right back into the old patterns...

Although from what I've heard this case was the result of an actual court order. GOG couldn't do anything about it, other than ceasing to sell the game to Australian users at all. Unlike Steam GOG sells uncut versions and banned games to German users, though, and that's remarkable. And I hope it's gonna stay that way.

I don't think I'd act as a model, I think people genuinely wouldn't care similarly to how most people don't care that I don't buy DRM for music or games.

I think this would be the sort of thing were you either go big or go home if you want to take the "all or nothing" route.

Incremental approach is easier in this case.

I don't watch that much TV, except on the few occasions when I get really hooked on a show and binge watch (seldom happens).

Overall, the bit of TV/Movies I watch does wonders for my psychology as I'm prone to dark thoughts. I'm the type who can't lay down on a bed and stare at the ceiling to fall asleep. That's toxic for me.

A bit of escapism, be it a computer game, a book or a movie lifts me up and puts my mind at ease. It keeps me productive and focused.

Too much of that stuff makes me feel like I'm not doing anything with my life and also puts me down so I'm not really prone to overindulging anyways: just enough to hit the spot.

I was here for the DRM free old games. And personally, I'm kind of fed up with the way that GOG has been treating me over the last few years. It's not just that they violated their principles, it's the fact that they haven't even been honest about it. They'll break the principle and then patronize us about how they're doing it without giving any indication of what exactly is in it for us to tolerate the change.

Sure you may have just wanted DRM-Free, but most of the games the were selling were DRM free previously. And many of the tiles are DRM free even on Steam.
If I understand that correctly, it's a quirk in the German law, certain games are "banned" in the sense that they can't be advertised in Germany and can't be sold by German companies, but are legal to posses and import.

I'm sure that's not quite correct, so anybody who knows more please feel free to correct that.

Yeah, I can guess the disappointment if you were here in great part for the old games part. I enjoy some old games, but I was really here for the DRM-Free (and decent prices) from the start. The amount of effort they put toward getting their games to work is also cool.

Overall though, yeah, GOG is a business. They talk big and then can't back a lot of that talk, but you get the same BS from all companies. They all over-promote themselves and put themselves in the best possible light possible and overall try to sell you this virtuous image about themselves.

All the companies I worked at were like that... All those bs pep talks upper management gives you on lunch hour which I always found painful to listen to and made me wish I could teleport myself back in front of my computer screen at my desk. Just give me a paycheck, treat me right and I'll do my job to the best of my abilities, but let's keep it real and be honest with each other. Anyway, I'm digressing a little here.

Overall, I don't blame GOG for things like backing up from flat pricing or not being as awesome about the extras as they once claimed. I think they over-promoted themselves on those things and talked themselves into a corner, but maybe they wouldn't have been as successful if they hadn't. Maybe people really dig all the over-promoting. I'm really not a marketing guy.

They are still awesome in my eyes because of the DRM-free part (in that regard, a large part of their agenda is in alignment with mine), but yeah, they are a company and all that this entails.

Most titles on Steam have DRM. It's the case for Humble Store too.

DotEmu is pretty cool, but they are kind of small.

GOG is the largest most vocal player for DRM-Free in the gaming industry atm.

They are to games what O'reilly is to technical books (well ok, smaller, I think O'reilly is really big in the technical books worlds).

I am sorry, Barry, but I personally cannot endorse this. However, this isn't because I disagree with your points. In fact, even though I firmly believe that DD services should be region free, I perfectly understand that the way movie distribution deals and licensing are currently handled makes this a near impossible prospect for any movie-focused DD store.

No, the reason why I'm against this is because of how it would impact GOG's primary business, the digital distribution of games. If GOG implemented regional lockout for movies, it wouldn't take long for video game publishers and developers to demand to be able to do the same. After all, why should movie distributors get any sort of special treatment? In fact, if GOG insisted on maintaining that kind of double standard, it would have hurt a lot of the business relationships they have established within the game industry...relationships that took many years to build. Rather than jeopardise all the work they have done so far, GOG would no doubt choose to cave in and implement regional lockout for games as well.

As someone who is strongly against region locks in games, I find such a prospect to be completely unacceptable. Moreso because movies are essentially a side-business for GOG and implementing regional lockout wouldn't by itself ensure the presence of any major film studios, so I don't think such a decision is worth the negative consequences it would have on the games part of GOG. Admittedly, though, I am also a bit biased in the sense that I buy games from GOG and have no interest in buying movies from them.

This is exactly why CD Projekt group should have established a separate DD service for movies instead of trying to turn GOG into one, even if some of the GOG staff was forced to initially help out with the store. The movie distribution market has many unique obstacles and challenges that warrant a service that focuses on that type of service alone.....not to mention that GOG already has enough on its plate with operating a video game DD service.

There are two lists, Liste A and Liste B. Liste A just means that a game (or film or piece of literature) is not okay for minors. As long as it's not on public display and not distributed to minors everything's okay.

Liste B is a bit more strict and I've heard contradictory statements about it. The one I heard from a German publisher guy was that distribution and public display (also exclusively to adults) are illegal. That guy said that posession isn't illegal BUT the authorities can confiscate the game if they want.

Some say that whether the authorities can confiscate the game is yet another thing and not sctrictly related to whether a game is on Liste B and that generally posession of stuff from Liste B is also absolutely okay (just not display or distribution).

Edit: Scratch the stuff I said about Liste B, it's technically the same as Liste A.

Games on list B are not forbidden to be distributed and there is no problem with owning that at all, just no publicity and no open display and selling to minors. Only when a law court judges that a game from that list is to be confiscated, then it is not allowed to be distributed and owned anymore. And this does not happen very often. I think there were like ~15 games which ever were confiscated and this also does not mean it is forever. For example Mortal Kombat got that treatment when it was released but that judgement was lifted long ago.

Indeed, finally just found a good source. So apparently there is no real difference between Liste A and Liste B, just whether the BPjM *thinks* that a game should be confiscated, which can technically even happen to game that was not put on either list by the BPjM. People really seem to make too big a deal out of these two lists.

Still not sure what the situation is with games that did not get a rating by the USK but aren't on either of the BPjM's lists. Again I heard contradictory stories there. As far as I know the distribution for a game that didn't get a USK rating is treated basically the same way as a game that made it onto one of the BPjM's lists, not sure about public display.

Yep you are completely right :D I never had any problem with getting any game I wanted.

I had (when I was living in Germany). My game collection is still riddled with censored German versions, I got most of my banned games and uncut versions from Poland.