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rjbuffchix: You were bickering back and forth with me when I said the official reasoning was wanting. You were alleging how people like me are set in our ways and "wouldn't accept any answer", yet now you're claiming the offered reasoning around here is "PR speak" at best. Doesn't that kind of solve the problem? Most of us would surely accept an honest answer not drenched in PR speak. But if they only speak in PR speak, then I guess both of us are "right" to an extent, though it's more a matter of all parties talking past one another.
That is part of the problem, I think.....people should be willing to take ANY honest answer, no matter how it is said or delivered.

And that is likely part of why GOG doesn't want to reply back.....if people want a certain answer in a certain way and that alone(or nearly that alone).

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wolfsite: So you want to avoid using a client by going to a platform.... that has a mandatory client......
It's called cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, I believe.
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Squirline: So all these pain and busywork just to be able to get his game?
Many things in life are better enjoyed if a bit of work goes into getting them, and nothing in life(unless you're rich) is easy.

Also it's downloading a game, not writing a master's thesis on particle physics.

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Squirline: Why not just let us use the downloader which was perfect for this?
Because their choice to make, even if some of us don't like it.
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I think the only way for GOG to have a new version of the downloader is to recreate it by making the downloader that Galaxy has a standalone version of that. Will GOG be willing to that probably not but who knows.
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GameRager: That is part of the problem, I think.....people should be willing to take ANY honest answer, no matter how it is said or delivered.

And that is likely part of why GOG doesn't want to reply back.....if people want a certain answer in a certain way and that alone(or nearly that alone).

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It's called cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, I believe.
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Many things in life are better enjoyed if a bit of work goes into getting them, and nothing in life(unless you're rich) is easy.

Also it's downloading a game, not writing a master's thesis on particle physics.

Because their choice to make, even if some of us don't like it.
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Squirline: I like convinient things , if you like meaningless busywork then go bring water from the well and wash your cloths by your hands. We invent and develop to make life easier by removing these useless timewasters.
You are free to make downloading as hard for yourself as you want ,but for us it should be just an easy one click which works efficiently without problems.

They made a choice , we don't like it and want them to reconsider that's all.
You want something that is easy and with a one click download... well that's Galaxy, plus Galaxy also installs the program which makes things even easier then the downloader. So wanting ease of use isn't really a good argument to use in this case as Galaxy is easier than the downloader.

You had a better case when you pushing having options and choice in how you got the program.
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wolfsite: You want something that is easy and with a one click download... well that's Galaxy, plus Galaxy also installs the program which makes things even easier then the downloader. So wanting ease of use isn't really a good argument to use in this case as Galaxy is easier than the downloader.

You had a better case when you pushing having options and choice in how you got the program.
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Squirline: Galaxy is slow and buggy. How is it easy when you have to recheck everything it does? And you have to go throu all your games manually when backing them up, I can't see how is that easy and convinient.
You have shown your obsession with the downloader and your attempts to force the downloader into other topics that I can't take this seriously, I have never had an issue with Galaxy so you having so many issues is rather hard to fathom and must be exagerations considering the way you act in other posts and topics.

In fact Galaxy actually managed to get a game from Origin running due to Origin having an error as it couldn't call home and would not allow me to access to my games, wouldn't even let me run them from there directories, thankfully I linked my Origin account to Galaxy and Galaxy was able to get the game running.
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CloudXIV: One of the reasons I buy games on GOG is not having to install any clients. I had decent transfer speeds with gog downloader and downloads through browser are painfully slow and often end up with errors. I'm trying to download a game right now and I get 200 KB/s on a 350 megabit connection which is a joke. With gog donwloader I usually got at least a few megabytes per second. You guys should really do something about it.
Cloud, give Xtreme Download Manager (https://sourceforge.net/projects/xdman/) a try. It can hook into a browser or not via addons and can break up a download into chunks and download each one seperate giving a overall speed boost. I can't use that feature as I don't have enough bandwidth to make it worth while, but it might work for you.

I get horrible speeds downloading through Galaxy (not so much bandwidth as it just seems to be slow at doing everything). But through the XMD, much much better and I can pause/resume as needed. And dial back the speed when required as well. There might be something better, but so far it is the best I have found that is free, open source, and not a huge bloated malware mess (or at least raises a bunch of red flags).
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Squirline: I like convinient things , if you like meaningless busywork then go bring water from the well and wash your cloths by your hands. We invent and develop to make life easier by removing these useless timewasters.
Being more efficient is to be praised, imo, but being lazy is not.

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Squirline: You are free to make downloading as hard for yourself as you want ,but for us it should be just an easy one click which works efficiently without problems.
Your life is likely already very easy.....maybe a bit of hard work would do you some good? :|

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Squirline: They made a choice , we don't like it and want them to reconsider that's all.
Yes, some here and elsewhere expressed it that way.....not all....also again: GOG's "house", GOG's rules.

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Those who don't like it have a few worthwhile/workable choices:

Try to change the system via efficient means more likely to succeed(via social media, getting support from YTer and such who can "champion the cause" for the rest who want such, etc).

Stop buying and let GOG know, then stay to post on the forums or leave(if one chooses)

Continue to buy and use the browser or other alternatives.

(Anything else, like mentioning it on the forums a few times, isn't likely going to change anything)

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Squirline: With galaxy it needs to select game -> extras Download all + download the installer files there is no all click here, it is clearly a busywork.
And if you already downloaded them just want to check if there is an update you have to do that manually. Another busywork.
It's some checking and a few extra clicks.....what, is everyone's fingers broken? Must be.
Post edited March 29, 2020 by GameRager
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As someone who has over 1200 games from gog, and likes to keep a backup copy without having to install the games via Galaxy, this actually sucks.

I will have to reference the web site to see what's updated, then search for the game in Galaxy, and trigger the download (edit) for batching multiple downloads.

I also understand I'm in the monitory, and still support GOG for bringing DRM games.
It just kinda sucks.

Edit 2 - It's not as smart like downloader was, I trigger Game A to download, then Game B, if I re-trigger A, it re downloads despite having the files already there.

Edit 3 - Did find by changing in Settings - "Other download folder" this does create the old folder structure and saves the extras and core game.

Basically, I have the added step of using the site to tell me which games are updated, then triggering the download via Galaxy.
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wolfsite: You want something that is easy and with a one click download... well that's Galaxy, plus Galaxy also installs the program which makes things even easier then the downloader. So wanting ease of use isn't really a good argument to use in this case as Galaxy is easier than the downloader.

You had a better case when you pushing having options and choice in how you got the program.
Having the game install kind of defeats the purpose of downloading offline installers, considering gog made damn sure using the gog downloader was as clumsy and more difficult (moving the links far down into menus) it was still way better and easier than the gog store app.

Gog store app is extremely heavy to use compared to the gog downloader, for some reason takes a considerable longer time to download, it is very unappealing to use and crashes alot, like ALOT!
And one thing about the gog downloader was you could use it with remote desktop, gog store app not so much.
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etempest: As someone who has over 1200 games from gog, and likes to keep a backup copy without having to install the games via Galaxy, this actually sucks.

I will have to reference the web site to see what's updated, then search for the game in Galaxy, and trigger the download (edit) for batching multiple downloads.

I also understand I'm in the monitory, and still support GOG for bringing DRM games.
It just kinda sucks.
Now this is a good post.....well written, you seem to have had a need for the downloader, and you expressed what you wanted to in a civil manner.

Well said and +1.
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wolfsite: You want something that is easy and with a one click download... well that's Galaxy, plus Galaxy also installs the program which makes things even easier then the downloader. So wanting ease of use isn't really a good argument to use in this case as Galaxy is easier than the downloader.

You had a better case when you pushing having options and choice in how you got the program.
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halldojo: Having the game install kind of defeats the purpose of downloading offline installers, considering gog made damn sure using the gog downloader was as clumsy and more difficult (moving the links far down into menus) it was still way better and easier than the gog store app.

Gog store app is extremely heavy to use compared to the gog downloader, for some reason takes a considerable longer time to download, it is very unappealing to use and crashes alot, like ALOT!
And one thing about the gog downloader was you could use it with remote desktop, gog store app not so much.
A lot of this is debatable depending on experience, myself I have never had an issue with Galaxy but had a number of issues with the Downloader.

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I just did a double check and you can download offline installers with Galaxy (under Extras, never looked there my bad)

So you can get offline installers with Galaxy then quit (or even remove Galaxy) and still have the offline installers.

I will agree though that it would be nice to enable/disable features of Galaxy people do not need to trim down resource usage.
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wolfsite: A lot of this is debatable depending on experience, myself I have never had an issue with Galaxy but had a number of issues with the Downloader.

But I do agree if they added offline installer downloads to Galaxy and the ability to enable/disable certain features to make it leaner would benefit.
Yep, that is true, this is my experience with gogs store app, absolutely horrid, well horrid is my experience with store apps in general, very much locked down and do absolutely nothing to "improve my experince" as is the go to answer with these store fronts.

Being forced to update games (unable to play until said update is installed) (don´t know if gog does that), constants updates of the store app itself, lack of control over where games are installed, constantly shutting down useless functions that get turned on by itself after updates, etc etc, everything wasting time, I personally have very little interest after getting home from a long day of work to wait for upto 30 mins while the store app forces and update on itself and potentially the game i wan´t to play, that is time I don´t like to waste.

This is my opinion, I dislike being forced into using something that wastes my time.

I still have a considerable amount of games that I need to download and update and using the website will take forever and the sluggish store app probably even longer.
So given that I think I am going to see if I have time to finish making my own downloader (with blackjack and hookers), plenty of learning possibilities in there.
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I feel bad for someone that was using this, but I think that GOG needs to focus on what is used the most with their limited resources.
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DBDigital: Cloud, give Xtreme Download Manager (https://sourceforge.net/projects/xdman/) a try. It can hook into a browser or not via addons and can break up a download into chunks and download each one seperate giving a overall speed boost. I can't use that feature as I don't have enough bandwidth to make it worth while, but it might work for you.

I get horrible speeds downloading through Galaxy (not so much bandwidth as it just seems to be slow at doing everything). But through the XMD, much much better and I can pause/resume as needed. And dial back the speed when required as well. There might be something better, but so far it is the best I have found that is free, open source, and not a huge bloated malware mess (or at least raises a bunch of red flags).
Thanks man, I'll try it. :)
I have been using GOG Downloader only to download my DRM-Free games and just found out that I cannot download the games which I have bought a couple of days ago with it. Not a good decision in my opinion, having to download each file separately in a web browser is a huge step back - will check how it is possible to download the game backup via GOG Galaxy though...

EDIT: I do not see such option in GOG Galaxy, what a shame.
I guess that this would be mainly to force users to use GOG Galaxy more, but this is not the correct way how to do it. If I do not want to use another game client like STEAM / Battle.net / Origin / Uplay / EPIC / ... than I will simply not use it. The main reason why I have bought over 800 games on GOG till today is the reason that they are DRM-Free and I can download and backup their installers easily. And the big part of the DRM-Free functionality just took a hit now since you just made the option to download the files much more inconvenient. If at least the functionality to download all the goodies and game installer files would be available in GOG Galaxy...
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MichiGen: I have been using GOG Downloader only to download my DRM-Free games and just found out that I cannot download the games which I have bought a couple of days ago with it. Not a good decision in my opinion, having to download each file separately in a web browser is a huge step back - will check how it is possible to download the game backup via GOG Galaxy though...

EDIT: I do not see such option in GOG Galaxy, what a shame.
I guess that this would be mainly to force users to use GOG Galaxy more, but this is not the correct way how to do it. If I do not want to use another game client like STEAM / Battle.net / Origin / Uplay / EPIC / ... than I will simply not use it. The main reason why I have bought over 800 games on GOG till today is the reason that they are DRM-Free and I can download and backup their installers easily. And the big part of the DRM-Free functionality just took a hit now since you just made the option to download the files much more inconvenient. If at least the functionality to download all the goodies and game installer files would be available in GOG Galaxy...
I am not a fan of the Galaxy client, but you CAN do downloads/backups. If you go to your library, click on a game, then under "backups and goodies" that is how you can backup/download the installers. Personally though, I would rather use something like Xtreme Download Manager, it is open source (link a couple of posts up), hooks into browsers if you want via addons, and is faster than the Galaxy client. At least for me (not to mention I have the ability to pause/resume if needed too). You might want to give that a try. Yes it does require a couple of more clicks in the library to get all the extra goodies, but I seem to get all the functionality otherwise I had with GOG downloader (and a few additional perks).

If they dump the stand alone DRM-FREE installers, then I will go somewhere else. Otherwise, with XMD this is do-able. While I wish they would have been better at communicating this with us, and giving us options. We CAN still download the stand alone installers so the core of GOG is still here thankfully. The biggest problems I had is the the Galaxy client is a lot slower at downloading, and I need the ability to slow down download speeds since I don't have a ton of bandwidth to throw at large games and pause/restart downloads if needed. The GOG Downloader was perfect for this, and light weight. It is missed.