skeletonbow: Shows it to you where though? The "not interested" doesn't block games from ever appearing on the Steam website, but rather it is intended to stop them from showing up in the feature scroller and other major promotional materials on the homepage, and I think also from showing up as "recommended".
EVERYWHERE! They even added that thing into midweek sale! Where is my titan helmet? :D
Jokes aside (no, seriously, it's midweek sale now), said Age of Wonders 3 been offered to me in "exploration queue" several times, even after I marked it as "not interested", I've seen it on main store page in that "infinite scroller" area, and in "recommended".
Gabe, adjust your brain-reading device, I want Portal 3 and Half-life 3, not Age of Wonders 3.
skeletonbow: I've never seen any games I've flagged as "Not Interested" show up as recommended nor on promo materials to date that I'm aware of at least so it seems to work fairly good for me at least. If someone has something that does make it through I'd bet it is a glitch rather than purposeful. Perhaps there are multiple versions of the game and only one of them is flagged or something, like "Megagame", "Megagame Deluxe", "Megagame Super Holy Shit Everything Edition" and someone has just flagged "Megagame" as "not interested" but the other two product variants still show up. Just a thought anyway.
Lucky you. This game turns into that hilarious nemesis I can't get rid of. You know, plot armour and all. :D
As for different versions, they offer me only basic one. Even if it's glitch, it's pretty annoying glitch, as it's the only game that pests my lists.
skeletonbow: There are several "Customize" buttons that show up when you hover over certain parts of the homepage, and another one in the screen where you configure your "exploration queue" settings which allow you to remove or add checkboxes on categories of games that you want or don't want to see for the particular site area.
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I'm aware of that and I customized that as soon as those things appear. Problem is, I still don't get algorithms behind "recommendation", plus, there is no option to mark games I own outside of Steam - it recommends me Splinter cell, but I have full collection on disks. But that's the upper bar.
Middle bar, "New On Steam" shows that proverbial shovelware mostly, and I can't remove that bar entirely, one option is hard-locked to be active there. So I had to scroll down, as it's hard to spot something interesting among 3 titles.
Lower bar, "Recently updated" is already customized to show only games I own, so no complains here. Though I'd prefer to move it lower.
And here is things I don't like and want to either remove entirely, or move elsewhere:
- Section on the right from those two mentioned above, "recommended for you". Same complain - how the hell it selects titles, and why can't I mark game I already own elsewhere? In addition, mere presence of this thing, is unnecessary redundancy, as upper bar duplicates it.
- Curators. WTF, WTH, WHY? and all other funny memes and jokes. I don't know those people, I don't care for them, has zero wishes to see them. Let me minimize it.
- Exploration queue. Redundancy with duplicating uppermost bar and more WTF. Oh, hello, Age of Wonders 3, long time no see. Plus, there is no option to split "not interested" into "kill it with fire" and "meh, don't show me that". I'm tired to "not interest" anime games, yet Steam throws them to me like a stoker throws coal into furnace. Stahp! Oh, and my favourite thing - "Oops, sorry, this item is not available in your region". Why the hell you put it into that freaking queue then?
Scrolling below this newly added nonsense, we finally reach our destination - Deals section on the right, and four-tabbed new releases, top sellers, upcoming, and specials. they were working fine before introducing this new "discoverability" thing. And I liked it back then, because now I can't get rid off those new stuff thrown into my face. While I use browser, I can lock certain portions with adblock, true, but that's impossible to do with Steam App itself.
Finally, scrolling below that we've reached "Keep scrolling for more recommendations" area. so, let's see what Steam shows me.
- Tellltale games, Broken Age, and Dreamfall chapters, because I "recently viewed" "Life in Strange" (wrong, Steam showed it to me in that exploration queue, that's the feature I hate).
- Some anime shit, because I "recently viewed" some anime shit (same as above). A lot of it, in fact, 6 rows.
- GTA series, because I recently played GTA V. I have all GTA games on disks, yet I can't tell Steam to cool off.
- Horror games like Penumbra, Outlast, Amnesia, because I "played Stealth games". Eh? I haven't played in Steam in many days, attempt to launch GTA V is the only one recent playtime.
- Counter-Strike: Global offensive and Elite: Dangerous since I wish for Fallen Enchantress: Legendary Heroes - Quest Pack. As Sand said to player's character in Neverwinter Nights 2 - I don't see a family resemblance.
- Life is strange, because I recently viewed... guess what. :D
- A lot of indie stuff, former AAA titles (old ones), games I already own elsewhere, games I don't care for (yet don't want to kill it with fire), mostly the stuff recommended because I recently viewed games, recommended by Steam exploration queue. Infinite loop of bullshit.
It took me around 15 minutes to scroll to very bottom of it to see "We're out of personalized recommendations for you right now We can recommend some different titles once you've played more games."
Steam remembers games I launched while being online (just to check they work or to earn cards), but have no idea which games I played while being offline (and that's how I usually play). And I have no option to turn that shit off entirely, as it clogs my screen with unnecessary data without any relevance.
skeletonbow: Yeah, I wish it had an option like that too however "Not Interested" while semantically not the right thing if you are actually interested but already own something - ends up working from a practical perspective because games flagged "Not Interested" only apply to the one game and they don't read any more into it than that (according to what they claim anyway). So for example, flagging "Mount and Blade" as "not interested" should not have any effect on Warband or future titles, nor should they end up inferring you don't like medieval games or RPGs etc. It's just a single-game one shot. As such, I flag all my GOG games as "Not Interested" on Steam so they don't keep coming up. I do end up seeing games in a series that I don't own though so I know they don't try to infer things such as "why" you flag a game as not being interested.
True. Again, I wrote them (through support/suggestion form) suggesting that long ago. You can see how responsive they are. Just two damn buttons: "Have it and like it", "have it and don't like it". Or three "Have it and meh". :D
skeletonbow: Yeah, the recommended games stuff is kind of rather loose and appears to be something like "you played Skyrim, it is an RPG game, so any other game that has the tag "RPG" is another game you might be interested in too" and shows up in recommendations. If the game is also flagged "Action" tag, then any game that is "Action" may show up too. It's very broad in scope I find so not terribly useful.
If you play racing games for a few days in a row, say 3-4 racing games then all of a sudden you end up mostly only seeing racing game recommendations and it forgets you ever played an RPG even if you have like 39123712 hours of RPGs and like 6 hours of racing games. :)
Don't let me started. I don't understand their recommendation system at all, any of those, if they have two, just read my wall of text above. If you don't understand how this mechanism works, you cannot "teach" it to help you.
*mimics Grunts from Halo* NOT AGAIN!
Turn off the light, they get to the light!:D Yes, that's the game. Why on Earth it was recommended to me, because I played X-Rebirth? I know, not the best game out there, but pigeon shit?
skeletonbow: I guess it depends on individual preferences more than anything. Personally I think the current Steam storefront options are a huge improvement from what they had in the past and allow me to filter out tonnes of nonsense although there is a huge room for future improvement too.
Of those "improvements" I can name only one - actual search through entire database became easier, as there are more filters right now. Yet the way store page is now clogged with all those new, barely relevant data screens I can't adjust, all this made me less willing to actually visit it. So I either browse news section, or go straight through "Specials".
So if you ask me whether new discoverability helped me to discover new things, I'll say "yes, now I know how many garbage are in there". I don't badmouthing all indie games, some of them are pure fun, but now it's nearly impossible to discover it on your own. If that was the condition they were looking for, well, hope they are happy now.
skeletonbow: I wish there was an option for example:
[x] Not interested in ever seeing any 8-bit pixelated retro Indie shovelware
[x] Not interested in ever seeing any Indie "roguelikes"
[x] Not interested in Japanese games that look like a teenage girl's underwear drawer exploded for pedophiles
... just to name a few. :)
Hopefully they'll keep refining it over time though.
True, but judging by Steam actions, we won't see anything solid any time soon. So I'd say it's after Half-Life 3 release. :D