Well, I meant in the same thing, except hate thing which I don't believe there is any. Also, everything is unique.
That's almost the same thing I meant. I really hate that movie. You meant timeless in themes or something else?

I'm not sure "the characters, the perceieved [sic] exclusivity to the Skywalkers and the essence of the Force" is something that defines Star Wars, because those things are not even internally consistent within Lucas's own vision of Star Wars over the years. And yeah, absolutely Disney is using nostalgia to fill cinema seats. Just like Lucas did.
It's weird to see Lucas portrayed as some sort of spurned master storyteller, when the progression of his story from movie to movie is a mess.

And a completely separate issue, but I don't get where you feel the EU were not meant to be canon. When they were written, they absolutely were meant to be canon, and had to be vetted by Lucasfilm.

And why is completely impossible to b written, because you can't write what you can't know.

Understood... but I feel pretty confident Disney actually hates the essence of Lucas' Star Wars and can't wait to get rid of any and all elements from the OT (no more payments to Lucas who owns part of all OT depictions)... the Force included (it'll be played as a generic space magic system).

Of course it's different. That still doesn't mean you can't do it. Besides, not everyone cares about continuity.

I don't agree. Lucas' storytelling isn't a mess... his ability as a screenwriter is so-so, but his storytelling is brilliant IMO.

Lucas said many times the EU was not canon.

“While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align.”

–“The Legendary Star Wars Expanded Universe Turns a New Page”, April 25th, 2014

I believe that what they were meant to be, is pretty much irrelevant. Besides, thing change. Most people aren't SW fans which religiously follow the franchise and it's continuity. They just want to watch enjoyable movie, play enjoyable game etc. I completely agree with you about many EU works, even though I have no experience with most of them;)

Ok, I respect that we disagree... but now it feels like you're seemingly arguing to argue. I may be misreading this, but before this turns into dissecting replies ad infinitum...

I love Star Wars and feel that I have made my case effectively and used real-world examples and my personal experience. If you choose to agree, disregard, or disagree, sobeit.

Not angry but just don't see the point in continuing a tit-for-tat from my end ;)

May the New Year be good to you and yours.

Cheers

Genuine curiousity, What do you mean by this? His skill at creating an outline for the whole saga to follow? An outline for each individual movie? The plot of his scripts? Or something else? Because none of those seem to hold up (except maybe the second if you exclude the first), especially counting his later Star Wars movies.

No worries.

The story is the basic plot points... very close to the outline.

Actually writing scenes, dialogue, etc. is scripting or screenwriting.

For instance, I'd say the prequel trilogy is horribly written but the basic story (and most of the plot points) is great.

Lucas has never been a strong screenwriter; he's always used co-writers and dialogue "sweeteners"

Personally, I think all of the OT are well-scripted and the story is well-told. The prequels are pretty poorly scripted but the general story is well-told (and IMO taking a rather simple space fantasy and molding it into an almost Shakespearean tragedy is amazing).

...You felt the basic story ofthe prequel trilogy is great?
I guess it comes down to subjective opinion here, but...I...guess I strongly disagree with you? :D

I'm speaking from memory here, but from what I remember of the first movie:
"The Trade Federation is attacking Naboo, and the Jedi go to save it.
The Jedi are necessitated to go to Tatooine with the Queen of Naboo.
The Jedi find a force-sensitive boy who helps them fix their ship by doing podracing.
The Jedi take the boy to be jedified but that is refused, they take the boy and save Naboo from the Trade Federation with his rather absurdly provided help."

This nothing spectacular, and I can barely remember the 2nd movie, and the basic plot of the third movie is "The Republic falls, the Jedi Order falls, and Anakin falls to the dark side".
But then again, your definition of "great storytelling" doesn't seem very meaningful in terms of the final product- sort of like someone being a great "idea man".
As a whole, I'd say the storytelling of the prequel trilogy overall is nothing great. Lucas painted himself into a corner with having to tell the story of the rise and eventual fall of Anakin Skywalker, but the fact of Anakin Skywalker having to fall at the end wasn't particularly amazing storytelling, it was a foregone conclusion, nor are the details of how he fell (they were in fact particularly stupid, and from a basic storytelling perspective, worked hard to ruin his redemptive arc at the end of the original trilogy).

I didn't argue just to argue, but just said why I disagree with your points. I am sorry if I was aggressive, but I will often strongly defend my points. In the matter of values, it's often impossible to compromise. You have stated your opinion, I have stated mine.

However, I genuinely agree with this opinion about the prequels. General plot is good (I wouldn't say great, necessarily), but the setting is also pretty strong. Which often gets forgotten because of the quality of the films as films. Curious, did you watch the Clone Wars, and what's your opinion on that?

You really think so? I don't have any love for prequels as a films, but I consider Anakin's fall (and redemption) as a pretty good storytelling. General outline seems pretty believable: his childhood as a slave; constant disagreement with Jedi Order; living and fighting in a terrible war; possessing great power and talent while also never being able to conquer his personal flaws. All good setups for his fall, which was especially tragic, considering he was doing it for relatively noble purpose - saving his loved one.

You have no need to apologize.

I'm not angry or offended...

... just kinda tired.

Art is art -- even commercial filmmaking -- and everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I've enjoyed what I've seen... but haven't seen it all.

I will say this...

I have a lot of respect for Filoni and really enjoyed the first couple of seasons I saw of Rebels (unpopular opinion, I know).

The skill with which Ezra's story was told gave me hopes for Rey's, but Disney and Lucasfilm are very divided in many ways.

Just watched this and seemed to sum up my feelings...