So, I guess dialog writing, plot and tonal inconsistencies with the two around it and it actively denying what fans wanted with a grin on its face that were created by Ryan Jonson have nothing to do with Ryan Jonson being appointed to be director and screen writer because (according to inside leaks) he shared Kennedy's "feminist" views more than other candidates.

Not really, no.

Denying fans what they want doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.
95% sure it wasn't the case, and I haven't even watched the movie, merely read the spoilers.

So? Are you saying that we should absolutely trust an opinion of someone who don't watch the movies and think that attacking fans is a good thing?

I like Star Wars since I watched Return of the Jedi when I was 4 or 5 years old. I also absolutely despised TFA when I watched it, long before hate for Disney began, because I considered it went against established lore of the SW and spits in its face. (That doesn't mean I can't tear it apart for other things).

By most accounts, that would make me a Star Wars "fan", despite me actively refusing to be called that.

Let's make a exercise in logic: did actively inserting feminism in Fury Road made it a bad film? No, as far as I am considered, it made it even a better movie.

Is Star Wars franchise even more suited for feminist ideas then Mad Max? Probably. Then feminism must not be the reason it sucks balls.

If you want "exercise in logic", than first you need to make a logical definition of "feminism". Than we can talk.

But Kai2 is welcome to thier opinion if it makes them happy (oh....it does not does it!) ;)

100% agree with what your saying here StingingVelvet. Because you know what, these films could have been 100% pure 'femi-nazi' propaganda AND been good (as in fun to watch) films IF they had coherent scripts and good directing and edititng.

Think about that for a second Bro-dudes people.

I would have hated them instead for being that femi-nazi propaganda film instead of Star Wars films, but as they currently stand, both the prequels AND the Disney films are just badly made films, they fail in many of the aspects that a good film requires to make it good, in purely technical non-political metrics.

Now part of that might well be down to the agenda-politics in Disney itself, or from Kennedy herself, but if you can't (Lucas with the prequels and Disney with New Star Wars) get the basics right on what makes good films, it does not really matter as much as some people seem keen to make out. In other words the problems with the prequels and Disney Star Wars is a fundemental technical film-making problem, more than any political issue.

Aliens is the perfect example. A very feminist movie that has the gung-ho marine guys turn out to be idiots and the woman with motherly instincts to save a child ends up getting the job done when the men can't. Does anyone complain about Aliens? No, they don't, because it's a well made film.

Poe learning a lesson from strong female leaders in Last Jedi isn't a problem. It's how Johnsone executed it that was the problem. Namely it was mostly nonsensical why he'd be ignored and left in the dark, and the execution was boring and part of a great problem of the movie being a slow motion chase over 24 hours or so.

100% pure propaganda can't be coherent.

There is no logical definition of feminism or any being really. You are speaking of ontology. And if you are going to use your subjective ontological definition as only correct one, then any argument with you is pointless apriori.
Strong in Ep. IV, get's gradually demoted into more passive role by the end of Ep. VI; her killing that fat Hutt piece of shit notwithstanding. - My interpretation, would like to hear yours :)

Well I think we all agree that these new ones are firstly badly written movies and also got many other issues like the lack of continuity, plot holes and awful characters/character arcs.
The kind of political messages and how they have been injected in them just make bad films even worse.

Edit: the forum was acting weirdly: it ate my posts and then joined all of them together...

Since you focus on film-making aspect, and I skipped TLJ and RotS (as well as spin-offs) which one would you say is the weakest from that perspective? I found TFA to be mediocre at best, but as I understand RotS is the weakest one by far. TLJ is controversial one, because from the reviews of friends and critics I heard its actually good in its film-making skill (even if the plot is complete fucking mess).

And yet YOU have just used you own "subjective ontological definition" of feminism, when claiming that it was inserted in Mad Max: Fury Road. Yeah, arguing with you is pointless.

And Battle for Endor doesn't count, apparently.

They specifically called themselves as such. You need something else? We are all using terms here with our own subjective definitions in mind; not all of us are arguing about true ontological definitions like we are Christian scholastics or German Idealists.

Who?
Excuse me? It was YOU who started to talk about "exercise in logic" and "ontology", like some scholast, not me.