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Posted August 29, 2017
Make your collection even more legendary.

The GWENT Starter Pack is now available on GOG.com.
This is a limited, one-time only offer and a great way to reinforce your card collection with additional units, spells, and heroes, including a guaranteed Legendary card! Whether you’re new to The Witcher Card Game or a seasoned player, you’ll get a total of 51 cards of various rarity, plus crafting resources for creating premium animated versions of cards.

Once you purchase the GWENT Starter Pack, the items included in it will automatically be added to your account and become available the next time you log in to GWENT.
Post edited August 29, 2017 by litek
Posted September 07, 2017
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mqstout: You're right. Because nothing with GWENT is sold. It's an entertainment online service. It's not a game. It can't have DLC because there's nothing to OWN. When there's DRM/online-only-play like this, no matter what it is, it's a microtransaction. Because you can't actually buy anything.
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amok: "Microtransaction is a business model where users can purchase virtual goods via micropayments."..hm....

and what is a "game" anywa?
A "game" is software, whereas Gwent, or Win 10, is a service.
Posted September 07, 2017
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mqstout: * In retrospect, Gremlins doesn't belong here either. I wasn't aware of/pay any attention to its release. Armello was also rightly "kicked out" for doing the exact same shit shit.
Armello was removed from sale because they did not offer GOG users the same experience as Steam users, because they were using Steam's inventory system. Not exactly the same thing.

Gremlins can be played offline...so apparently your "It's an entertainment online service. It's not a game. It can't have DLC because there's nothing to OWN" excuse hold's little water here. You DO OWN the offline single player portion just like any other single player game on GOG.
Posted September 07, 2017
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mqstout: Because nothing with GWENT is sold. It's an entertainment online service. It's not a game. It can't have DLC because there's nothing to OWN.
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BKGaming: Ignoring that you don't really own GOG games according to the EULA and license that is sold to you...

This disagrees with you and this also disagrees with you.
License = copy, so you own 1 copy of the software, and this is precisely why the new "service" model is being adopted.
Posted September 07, 2017
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richlind33: A "game" is software, whereas Gwent, or Win 10, is a service.
I'm sorry what? This is comical as hell... what are those games files I downloaded then if not "software". Really the mental gymnastics.
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richlind33: License = copy, so you own 1 copy of the software, and this is precisely why the new "service" model is being adopted.
You are do not own the license, you are granted a license. It can be stopped or suspended at any time by GOG or the publisher. Read the user agreement. Read the EULA that you accept when you install a game:

2.1 We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'licence') to use GOG services and to download and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This licence is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this licence in some situations, which are explained later on.
Post edited September 07, 2017 by BKGaming
Posted September 07, 2017
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richlind33: A "game" is software, whereas Gwent, or Win 10, is a service.
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BKGaming: I'm sorry what? This is comical as hell... what are those games files I downloaded then if not "software". Really the mental gymnastics.
It's spelled out very clearly in the Win 10 EULA. As for Gwent, it's dependent on Galaxy, which is a service provided by GOG.
Posted September 07, 2017
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richlind33: It's spelled out very clearly in the Win 10 EULA. As for Gwent, it's dependent on Galaxy, which is a service provided by GOG.
Something being a service doesn't mean it's not also software. Gwent is software, it still includes data and was written by developers with computer instructions. I've worked as a sofware developer.
Posted September 07, 2017
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richlind33: License = copy, so you own 1 copy of the software, and this is precisely why the new "service" model is being adopted.
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BKGaming: You are do not own the license, you are granted a license. It can be stopped or suspended at any time by GOG or the publisher. Read the user agreement. Read the EULA that you accept when you install a game:

2.1 We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'licence') to use GOG services and to download and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This licence is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this licence in some situations, which are explained later on.
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BKGaming:
All that means is that they can remove your ability to download the game files. If you've already downloaded them, it means squat.

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richlind33: It's spelled out very clearly in the Win 10 EULA. As for Gwent, it's dependent on Galaxy, which is a service provided by GOG.
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BKGaming: Something being a service doesn't mean it's not also software. Gwent is software, it still includes data and was written by developers with computer instructions. I've worked as a sofware developer.
It depends entirely on how the developer decides to market their product.

Check the EULA for Galaxy. I'll be very surprised if it isn't referred to as a "service".
Post edited September 07, 2017 by richlind33
Posted September 07, 2017
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richlind33: All that means is that they can remove your ability to download the game files. If you've already downloaded them, it means squat.
Which is true. But that doesn't mean that the license hasn't been revoked from you, hence why it's something that is enforced with DRM typically. Once that license has been revoked, regardless if you still have the files and can play... you are effectively pirating the content at that point because you have no legal license to the software (this will also be subject to local laws depending on where you live).

Of course being a DRM free store GOG can't enforce it's license like Steam can, but that doesn't really change the legal aspect of it.
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richlind33: It depends entirely on how the developer decides to market their product.

Check the EULA for Galaxy. I'll be very surprised if it isn't referred to as a "service".
It does not matter if Galaxy is marketed as a service it is still software... please learn what software is.
Post edited September 07, 2017 by BKGaming
Posted September 07, 2017
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richlind33: All that means is that they can remove your ability to download the game files. If you've already downloaded them, it means squat.
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BKGaming: Which is true. But that doesn't mean that the license hasn't been revoked from you, hence why it's somehting that is enforced with DRM typically. Once that license has been revoked, regardless if you still have the files and can play... you are effectively pirating the content at that point because you have no legal license to the software (this will also be subject to local laws depending on where you live).

Of course being a DRM free store GOG can't enforce it's license like Steam can, but that doesn't really change the legal aspect of it.
The industry sees it that way, but that is not the case as far as law is concerned.
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richlind33: It depends entirely on how the developer decides to market their product.

Check the EULA for Galaxy. I'll be very surprised if it isn't referred to as a "service".
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BKGaming: It does not matter if Galaxy is marketed as a service it is still software... please learn what software is.
It does matter as far as law is concerned -- quite a lot, in fact.
Post edited September 07, 2017 by richlind33
Posted September 07, 2017
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richlind33: The industry sees it that way, but that is not the case as far as law is concerned.
Good luck with that if you are really in the US. Europe maybe you would have a leg to stand on, in the US though it's pretty much decided in the corperations favor. But please if you want to challenge that, by all means...

Information is out there though if you want to Google it. US Laws concerning digital content are very outdated.
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richlind33: It does matter as far as law is concerned -- quite a lot, in fact.
Okay I'm done arguing with you, this is getting us nowhere. I know exactly what software vs a service is. Something being a service does not change the fact that something can also be software. The law has nothing to do with it.

A computer program is software. Galaxy is computer program, so it gwent.

Be obtuse if you want.
Post edited September 07, 2017 by BKGaming
Posted September 07, 2017
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richlind33: The industry sees it that way, but that is not the case as far as law is concerned.
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BKGaming: Good luck with that if you are really in the US. Europe maybe you would have a leg to stand on, in the US though it's pretty much decided in the corperations favor. But please if you want to challenge that, by all means...

Information is out there though if you want to Google it. US Laws concerning digital content are very outdated.
It either is, or it isn't, and if in fact this has been decided in the industry's favor, there is a precedent which can be cited.
Posted September 07, 2017
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richlind33: It either is, or it isn't, and if in fact this has been decided in the industry's favor, there is a precedent which can be cited.
Cited by the industry to help their case... not you. Again plenty of court cases out there if you want to research, but I'm not wasteing my time on something you are just going to dismiss and deflect.
Post edited September 07, 2017 by BKGaming
Posted September 07, 2017
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richlind33: The industry sees it that way, but that is not the case as far as law is concerned.
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BKGaming: Good luck with that if you are really in the US. Europe maybe you would have a leg to stand on, in the US though it's pretty much decided in the corperations favor. But please if you want to challenge that, by all means...

Information is out there though if you want to Google it. US Laws concerning digital content are very outdated.
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richlind33: It does matter as far as law is concerned -- quite a lot, in fact.
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BKGaming: Okay I'm done arguing with you, this is getting us nowhere. I know exactly what software vs a service is. Something being a service does not change the fact that something can also be software. The law has nothing to do with it.

A computer program is software. Galaxy is computer program, so it gwent.

Be obtuse if you want.
Laws pertaining to services differ greatly from those pertaining to products. A streaming service incorporates some software, which is a product, but it is marketed and *regulated* as a service.
Posted September 07, 2017
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richlind33: Laws pertaining to services differ greatly from those pertaining to products. A streaming service incorporates some software, which is a product, but it is marketed and *regulated* as a service.
Which supports my point. GOG incorporates some software (ie Galaxy, ie server software, ie games) and is also a service.

Count how many times the word services appears in the GOG user agreement: https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212632089-User-Agreement
Post edited September 07, 2017 by BKGaming
Posted September 07, 2017
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richlind33: It either is, or it isn't, and if in fact this has been decided in the industry's favor, there is a precedent which can be cited.
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BKGaming: Cited by the industry to help their case... not you. Again plenty of court cases out there if you want to research, but I'm not wasteing my time on something you are just going to dismiss and deflect.
If you're going to make asinine assumptions, please stop wasting *my* time.

I'm not the one asserting that being in possession of files after a license has been revoked constitutes piracy -- you are.
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