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Posted October 01, 2015
FPS Immortals are here.

Quake II: Quad Damage, Quake III: Gold, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Wolfenstein 3D and Spear of Destiny - are available now, DRM-free on GOG.com. You can pick them up at 33% off in two bundles:
<span class="bold">Quake Damage</span> & <span class="bold">Return to Wolfenstein</span>.





Wolfenstein 3D (with Spear of Destiny) is widely considered to be the first true 3D FPS ever. It single handedly kickstarted a generation of id Software greats, and thus influenced just about every FPS we've played ever since. Its mazes, shades of gray, and blue hues are burned into the collective gaming memory - plus you get to kill a mechanized Hitler. Classic.
In the early days of FPS gaming, Quake II: Quad Damage was the milestone. In a spot-on review from 1997, GameSpot calls it "the only first-person shooter to render the original Quake entirely obsolete." It was bigger, better, prettier, and smoother than any clone or predecessor - it also offered one of the most playable, and by far most popular multiplayer experiences of its day.
Quake III: Gold, aka. multiplayer revolution. Despite a controversial removal of the lauded single-player experience the series was known for, Quake III: Arena became a smash-hit and (together with Unreal Tournament) essentially defined arena-style, movement-based competitive gaming for years. The shooter spawned a community that's been living and breathing to this day.
In B.J. Blazkowicz's Return to Castle Wolfenstein, another legend is born. A unique, objective-based multiplayer mode saw immense popularity back in the day - and it was actually pretty okay if you're into that sort of thing. The single-player campaign is a dark, somewhat ridiculous freak show of morbid, scientific fantasy. An ever present sense of dread emanates from the disturbing experiments and cult-like universe, just waiting to be set afire - by you.


As with any Bethesda purchase, you'll also get The Elder Scrolls: Arena & Daggerfall for free!


Prepare to fight in Quake II: Quad Damage, Quake III: Gold, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Wolfenstein 3D and Spear of Destiny - now DRM-free on GOG.com. Return to the FPS immortals at 33% off in two bundles: <span class="bold">Quake Damage</span> & <span class="bold">Return to Wolfenstein</span>. The promo will last for one week, until October 8, 12:59 PM GMT.



The four titles released today are not available for purchase in Germany. These are legal restrictions that are beyond our control, and we're very sorry for the inconvenience.
Posted October 02, 2015
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darthspudius: I thought the games were already banned in Germany? I don't understand why having them on GOG would be any different. It's a shame but I would of thought common knowledge would of went hand in hand here.
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DanTheKraut: The games aren't banned in Germany at all. Some are indexed like Quake 2 or 3 and Spear of Destiny which means adults only (commercials and public selling only in places adults have access too any other store can sell those games too but you need to ask for them).
In fact there are 3 rated 18 ratings for games in Germany.
USK: KJ and unrated (which automatically means rated 18) - those games can be sold anywhere and also commercials aren't a problem.
Indexed - Commercials and public selling are restricted to places minors don't have access but any store can sell those games with the only exception that you have to ask for it.

Then there is also a difference between download titles and retail versions when it comes to laws.

Wolfenstein 3 and RTCW got seized by a court which means no commercials at all BUT import/buying and owning are still legal if you are an adult. Selling is a bit complicated in this matter but also not forbidden (Several court decisions regarding this also from the highest court here).

GOG or Steam are not affected by this because the JMStV (for download titles) and the JuSchG (for retail versions) only count inside Germany and for stores placed in Germany.

Fun fact:
If you think 3 rated 18 ratings for games is much... we got 8 rated 18 ratings for movies because we germans like to do things really complicated.
Ah thats interesting. Thanks for that. :)
Posted October 02, 2015
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DanTheKraut: The games aren't banned in Germany at all. Some are indexed like Quake 2 or 3 and Spear of Destiny which means adults only (commercials and public selling only in places adults have access too any other store can sell those games too but you need to ask for them).
In fact there are 3 rated 18 ratings for games in Germany.
USK: KJ and unrated (which automatically means rated 18) - those games can be sold anywhere and also commercials aren't a problem.
Indexed - Commercials and public selling are restricted to places minors don't have access but any store can sell those games with the only exception that you have to ask for it.

Then there is also a difference between download titles and retail versions when it comes to laws.

Wolfenstein 3 and RTCW got seized by a court which means no commercials at all BUT import/buying and owning are still legal if you are an adult. Selling is a bit complicated in this matter but also not forbidden (Several court decisions regarding this also from the highest court here).

GOG or Steam are not affected by this because the JMStV (for download titles) and the JuSchG (for retail versions) only count inside Germany and for stores placed in Germany.

Fun fact:
If you think 3 rated 18 ratings for games is much... we got 8 rated 18 ratings for movies because we germans like to do things really complicated.
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darthspudius: Ah thats interesting. Thanks for that. :)
You are welcome :)
Posted October 02, 2015
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darthspudius: Ah thats interesting. Thanks for that. :)
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DanTheKraut: You are welcome :)
+1 for being useful. ;)
Posted October 02, 2015
Well this stinks. First all of those 3DS games I pre-ordered are finally paid off, the only Way of the Samurai I want is released on here, and now all the id games I ever wanted are released on here. Which makes my 3D Realms account seem kinda silly since the only game there that I wanted was Wolf 3D. Oh well, the prices are too much for me right now anyway, I might have to wait for a future sale.
Posted October 02, 2015
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IronArcturus: So now that GOG has RTCW, is there anyway we'll see Wolfenstein 2009 in the future?
We may see it sometime. Unfortunately, it's the folks that live in Germany that once again won't be able to see it...
Posted October 02, 2015
Abandonware, Schmabandonware, thank gog for gog!

I wish that you could include these specials in the same cart as well as non-special purchases, as my card was rejected due to having to single-cart purchase these specials...I just had to get quake 1 but couldn't due to debit-card flood purchasing!
Posted October 02, 2015
Has anyone tried the multiplayer mode for RTCW yet? Does it have a LAN mode?
Posted October 02, 2015
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DanTheKraut: You are welcome :)
Did you send all this information to GOG at one point? I don't think it would change anything in the near future but why not try it at least...
Posted October 02, 2015
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IronArcturus: So now that GOG has RTCW, is there anyway we'll see Wolfenstein 2009 in the future?
That is an Activision game still probably, like the license didn't transfer to Bethesda during the change. Maybe Zenimax related issues? There is some reason it wasn't returned to Steam after the handover, other than "forgetting about it", I am sure.
Post edited October 02, 2015 by BrandeX
Posted October 02, 2015
Most of these games feel overpriced to me, except maybe Quake 2 and Return to Castle Wolfenstein, which seem fair at $9.99. As for Quake III... I never thought I'd have to pass one of my favorite games on my favorite digital store, but at such a ludicrous price, this is the one disc I'll dig trough my dusty pile of CDs.
Post edited October 02, 2015 by Shimejibr
Posted October 02, 2015
OK... I get Wolfenstein not being available in Germany, but what's wrong with Quake II and III?
Posted October 02, 2015
YAAAAAY! :/

Regardless of who's to blame for the regional locks, it means I won't buy these games here, GOG won't receive the money from those potential sales, and I'll just look for the games elsewhere if I ever feel like playing them ( again ). Kind of a LOSE/LOSE deal, even if it can't be helped. Oh well.

That said, it's still nice to see those classics added to GOG's growing collection.

And I had no idea Quake III is under the same sales restrictions as, say, Wolfenstein. I still have my physical copy of Q3, from way back. :D

Some critique, though: I wanted to check the screenshots of some of these games, and I can't even access the games pages? I understand you can't sell these games to Germans, but now our eyes and minds can't even handle looking at them? Come on. Wouldn't it do to simply grey out the check-out/add to cart button, and add a notice that the "game isn't available in country whatever-yada-yada"?

For something completely different: http://www.quakelive.com
Post edited October 02, 2015 by CharlesGrey
Posted October 02, 2015
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moonshineshadow: Please explain why you can not sell the Quake games?
They are on the same list as several other games you are selling to German people here which is not the list of games which are forbidden to be sold like Wolfenstein.

And just to be clear. We would not have this mess if you had not opened the German store front...
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ChrisTX: Quake II and Quake III have been indexed by the BPjM. It's an index entry for violence (StGB §131) so it would be possible to sell the title after a legally binding age verification, but public display for indexed products is not permitted by law.

Wolfenstein falls under StGB §86a - such titles may never be sold to Germany, but can be imported on a personal basis -, as would some other titles like Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, but GOG doesn't seem to have checked all releases made in the past for unconstitutional symbols.

This is a problem that must be solved on a political basis, and there's nothing GOG can do. You're directing your anger towards the wrong people.
Thank you for the detailed info.
Posted October 02, 2015
Is it not possible to have someone from another region gift these to a German GOGer? Or does the lock extend that far?
Posted October 02, 2015
Well, I for my part have still the Wolfenstein for my snes emulator, if i want to play it. I don't need it from here ^^
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