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Posted May 18, 2019
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amok: well.. proof that they did?

Those games use same version of denovu.... why it this released yesterday "cracked", but not one released over 30 days ago?

edit: anyway, a quick google - https://www.kitguru.net/gaming/matthew-wilson/bethesda-managed-to-make-rage-2s-denuvo-drm-pointless/
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richlind33: FYI, your link doesn't provide confirmation from Bethesda.
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which, off course, they will never do, so it is the best we have
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amok: well.. proof that they did?

Those games use same version of denovu.... why it this released yesterday "cracked", but not one released over 30 days ago?

edit: anyway, a quick google - https://www.kitguru.net/gaming/matthew-wilson/bethesda-managed-to-make-rage-2s-denuvo-drm-pointless/
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lazydog: Thanks for the proof, a quick google is surely absolute judgement.
unless you can provide anything better, it is what we have


edit - more sources;

"In this case, a weakness in Denuvo's security wasn't actually to blame. According to posts on the CrackWatch subreddit, while the Steam version of Rage 2 shipped with Denuvo, the .exe on the Bethesda Launcher did not contain the DRM. That strange oversight (or choice) on Bethesda's part gave crackers a way in. Access to a clean executable seemingly made it trivial to release a crack that bypassed Rage 2's online check-in at launch."
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/denuvo-cracks-2019/

and so on and so forth. all I can find say more or less the same
Post edited May 18, 2019 by amok
Posted May 18, 2019
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richlind33: FYI, your link doesn't provide confirmation from Bethesda.
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amok: which, off course, they will never do, so it is the best we have
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lazydog: Thanks for the proof, a quick google is surely absolute judgement.
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amok: unless you can provide anything better, it is what we have
No, it is what you have and claim here.
Posted May 18, 2019
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amok: which, off course, they will never do, so it is the best we have

unless you can provide anything better, it is what we have
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lazydog: No, it is what you have and claim here.
more sources;

"In this case, a weakness in Denuvo's security wasn't actually to blame. According to posts on the CrackWatch subreddit, while the Steam version of Rage 2 shipped with Denuvo, the .exe on the Bethesda Launcher did not contain the DRM. That strange oversight (or choice) on Bethesda's part gave crackers a way in. Access to a clean executable seemingly made it trivial to release a crack that bypassed Rage 2's online check-in at launch."
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/denuvo-cracks-2019/

and so on and so forth. all I can find say more or less the same

edit- how many do you need?
Post edited May 18, 2019 by amok
Posted May 18, 2019
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richlind33: [...]
Real story here may be, another opportunity to see the performance differential between cracked vs uncracked. If it's significant, which I think has already been confirmed, then Denuvo incentivizes piracy, which is pretty effing ironic.
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/rage-2-patch-removes-denuvo-but-performance-is-worse//
Posted May 18, 2019
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richlind33: [...]
Real story here may be, another opportunity to see the performance differential between cracked vs uncracked. If it's significant, which I think has already been confirmed, then Denuvo incentivizes piracy, which is pretty effing ironic.
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amok: https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/rage-2-patch-removes-denuvo-but-performance-is-worse//
The comparison *should* be between his pre-patch results from the Steam version, and the bethesda.net version. All this shows is that the patch is crappy.
Posted May 18, 2019
Something something DRM is a waste of time, effort and money
Posted May 18, 2019
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Linko64: Didn't even have DRM on their own storefront, so it was completely pointless to launch it on steam with Denuvo.
Pre-release review copies were through Steam, so that's likely the reason. Everyone assumes companies are stupid but they usually have reasons for what they do.

The combat in this game is super fun btw.
Posted May 18, 2019
Who cares. Please let me know if/when they release a DRM-free version of Rage 2. Otherwise, it's just as worthless while being still infested with one layer of DRM instead of two.
Posted May 18, 2019
I bought it in Bethesda store
Posted May 18, 2019
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GameRager: As Nuffcatnip said: They only cracked it out because the pirate community did it so they decided it wasn't worth maintaining/they want to get those sweet sweet DRM-free gamer dollars.
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tfishell: Okay. Well if they want those DRM-free gamer dollars they'll surely be releasing it here very soon, right?! :8D Even before Skyrim and Rage 1?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They obviously/sadly also want to play favorites as to where they release their games(to get better deals/etc), and GOG would want to tinker with their games to make their own offline installers which the devs/publisher would probably not be too keen on doing.

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amok: okeidokei

No, not at the moment, unless you go client-service architecture (always online, assets held by a server not in your computer) . Keep in mind that Rage 2 was not cracked, the latest version of Denovu is not cracked thus far, what we have here is a leaked version without DRM released by mistake.

No, it is not a myth. day one sales are very important still, which is why they still try to do DRM. Denuvo when implemented correctly, do have day 1 protection. As said abode, the latest version is still not cracked.

all contracts with Denuvo is, AFAIK, under no-discourage agreements .

no, and not sure if it is possible. many cracker groups do identify themselves, though - there is cudos in being the first and best

No idea what you mean here

No, it is the other way around. Game makers pay to have Denuvo - it is how they make profit.

Feel free, any time. Do include the shady stuff as well.
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lazydog: Hmmn. Not convinced.

Keep in mind that Rage 2 was not cracked, the latest version of Denovu is not cracked thus far, what we have here is a leaked version without DRM released by mistake.

Saying Denuvo is not effective because it was not implemented is stretching things too far imo and I will not believe it without direct proof.
Maybe it was cracked(BIG if, but still....), but the publisher/drm makers don't want to let people know and lose profits from drm sales/loss of faith by consumers?

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lazydog: [...]
Saying Denuvo is not effective because it was not implemented is stretching things too far imo and I will not believe it without direct proof.
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amok: just look at the other new games using latest version of Denuvo, such as Anno 1800 and Mortal Kombat 11 - still not cracked.
It(from what I have heard) takes time to strip the drm out of each game....even if it uses a drm that has been cracked on other games before.



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Linko64: Didn't even have DRM on their own storefront, so it was completely pointless to launch it on steam with Denuvo.
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StingingVelvet: Pre-release review copies were through Steam, so that's likely the reason. Everyone assumes companies are stupid but they usually have reasons for what they do.

The combat in this game is super fun btw.
Hmm, maybe(a big maybe) the publisher/devs didn't accidentally put up a drm-free version on their servers, but someone with a pre-release copy leaked it? :\
Post edited May 18, 2019 by GameRager
Posted May 18, 2019
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GameRager: (…) And Tom Goodman plays a good part at the beginning(…)
John Goodman, not Tom Goodman-Hill.
Posted May 18, 2019
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GameRager: (…) And Tom Goodman plays a good part at the beginning(…)
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mk47at: John Goodman, not Tom Goodman-Hill.
Fark...my bad.
Posted May 18, 2019
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GameRager: They obviously/sadly also want to play favorites as to where they release their games(to get better deals/etc), and GOG would want to tinker with their games to make their own offline installers which the devs/publisher would probably not be too keen on doing.
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Posted May 18, 2019
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GameRager: They obviously/sadly also want to play favorites as to where they release their games(to get better deals/etc), and GOG would want to tinker with their games to make their own offline installers which the devs/publisher would probably not be too keen on doing.
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tfishell: nnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Posted May 18, 2019
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GameRager: [...]
Maybe it was cracked(BIG if, but still....), but the publisher/drm makers don't want to let people know and lose profits from drm sales/loss of faith by consumers?
I think from what is seen so far, it is quite clear. the Bethesda store version did not have Denuvo, which gave the hackers a pretty clean .exe to to work with

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amok: just look at the other new games using latest version of Denuvo, such as Anno 1800 and Mortal Kombat 11 - still not cracked.
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GameRager: It(from what I have heard) takes time to strip the drm out of each game....even if it uses a drm that has been cracked on other games before.
*shrug* still does not explain why a game released 2 days ago is cracked, but not one 30 days ago. if you are right, then Rage 2 should not have been cracked yet, as it "takes time to strip the drm out of each game."
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