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Posted June 10, 2015
Stand by your kin.

<span class="bold">Kyn</span>, an unforgiving Viking cRPG, is available for Windows pre-order now, DRM-free on GOG.com!

1. Be a viking. 2. Be buried alive. 3. ??? 4. Profit. That's the short version of an ancient Viking ritual designed to grant might and magical powers to the bravest Nordic warriors. Meet <span class="bold">Kyn</span>, six rowdy vikings on a quest to fight off every single monster-like thing that infests their icy world.

The thing about <span class="bold">Kyn</span> is that it's tough, real tough. It's a tactical cRPG that's all about combat like you know it from Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale, no frills attached. Enemies are quick and brutal, and though you have your magic - health is always in short supply, one wrong turn and you're down for the count. Active-pause? Please. While you can slow down the game briefly to catch your bearings, in this world, even time is a limited resource.

Preorder today to receive the “Legendary Firemaster” armour set. The pack includes a full body armor set with chest guard and leg armor as well as a protective helmet with visor, also included is the powerful ‘Eye of the Fire Axe’ that deals extra fire and weapon damage as well as gives you extra attack speed. Brutal!

Want to make real life as awesome as that of the Vikings? Get the <span class="bold">Deluxe Edition</span> for all the goodies that come with the Standard Edition plus the Original Soundtrack.

Preorder <span class="bold">Kyn</span> today, DRM-free on GOG.com!
Posted June 12, 2015
When games like Batman Arkham Knight or Dragon Age or Assasins Creed gets preorder exclusives, no body bitch about it. However, when Indie game does the same thing, people starts raging. Why?

Please correct me if I am wrong.
Post edited June 12, 2015 by B-Mehkind
Posted June 12, 2015
Same old argument. They dont get complete game experience, which is tbh bit bs as many of pre order stuff is *extra* gear or *extra* missions which dont have to anything do with central story of the game etc...
Posted June 12, 2015
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B-Mehkind: When games like Batman Arkham Knight or Dragon Age or Assasins Creed or Witcher 3 gets preorder exclusives, no body bitch about it. However, when Indie game does the same thing, people starts raging. Why?
In my case, it's because I know that AAA titles never *really* have pre-order exclusives. They all get released in the end. For instance, Arkham Asylum and Arkham City both got GOTY editions with everything included. So will Arkham Knight. Bioware has unlocked the previous pre-order bonuses for free in the Dragon Age games.

I wasn't aware The Witcher 3 had any pre-order exclusives? The comic was only available with pre-orders, but it's not exclusive (and not in-game either, which is mostly what people dislike in exclusives).

By contrast, indie titles have much better track records of keeping backer exclusives or pre-order exclusives genuinely *exclusive*. In more cases than not, if you don't pay up before release, that material is never available to you. The best you can hope for is that it's something that doesn't actually impact gameplay experience. (Note that the Kyn armour & axe don't sound "just decorative".)

So, for me, it's a bigger deal because I trust more indie devs to be honest when they say "exclusive". ^_^
Posted June 12, 2015
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Niggles: Same old argument. They dont get complete game experience, which is tbh bit bs as many of pre order stuff is *extra* gear or *extra* missions which dont have to anything do with central story of the game etc...
Referring to this stuff as "extra" and making excuses for this kind of sleaze just makes you a part of the sickness GOG was created to counter. The developer made these things for the game, they go with the game and if you have them they are an aspect of the game experience. If they were removed from your account you wouldn't just shrug and say "oh well, those things weren't actually part of the game." Don't be ridiculous.

In any case these AREN'T exclusives, much less pre-order exclusives, so on top of everything else the store page is dishonest or at best carelessly worded: The same bonuses are being offered at Steam, and the language used makes it clear that the bonus is just free DLC which will be offered for sale later.
Posted June 12, 2015
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B-Mehkind: When games like Batman Arkham Knight or Dragon Age or Assasins Creed gets preorder exclusives, no body bitch about it. However, when Indie game does the same thing, people starts raging. Why?
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zlep: In my case, it's because I know that AAA titles never *really* have pre-order exclusives. They all get released in the end. For instance, Arkham Asylum and Arkham City both got GOTY editions with everything included. So will Arkham Knight. Bioware has unlocked the previous pre-order bonuses for free in the Dragon Age games.

I wasn't aware The Witcher 3 had any pre-order exclusives? The comic was only available with pre-orders, but it's not exclusive (and not in-game either, which is mostly what people dislike in exclusives).

By contrast, indie titles have much better track records of keeping backer exclusives or pre-order exclusives genuinely *exclusive*. In more cases than not, if you don't pay up before release, that material is never available to you. The best you can hope for is that it's something that doesn't actually impact gameplay experience. (Note that the Kyn armour & axe don't sound "just decorative".)

So, for me, it's a bigger deal because I trust more indie devs to be honest when they say "exclusive". ^_^
Thanks you for clearing my doubts, Zlep. I was just giving examples how AAA games gets out with doing business like this exclusive stuff, even if they release these stuff at the end. It is just to entice consumers. Same applies to indie games, they are enticing consumers, this exclusive stuff will be eventually released. I think.
Post edited June 12, 2015 by B-Mehkind
Posted June 12, 2015
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zlep: So, for me, it's a bigger deal because I trust more indie devs to be honest when they say "exclusive". ^_^
Can you honestly say you want them to be?

It is a thorn in your side that other people will eventually be able to have the complete game? Think about that for a minute. You're talking about your friends, your future friends, and someday your own kids. Thank heaven they'll never be able to play the game you played.

But this is too frivolous a hobby to concern ourselves about that sort of thing, right? It's not like anyone his their right mind would want to play a game that came out 10 or 20 years before they were born.
Posted June 12, 2015
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B-Mehkind: When games like Batman Arkham Knight or Dragon Age or Assasins Creed gets preorder exclusives, no body bitch about it. However, when Indie game does the same thing, people starts raging. Why?

Please correct me if I am wrong.
I dont care about theese games, for me they are right next to korean f2p grindfest mmos
Indie games however still can be interesting. in fact all the games I bought last year were indies, well not counting witcher 3 =)
thats why I dont want practice that killed for me many "big" games - to be applied to indies!
Posted June 13, 2015
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einexile: In any case these AREN'T exclusives, much less pre-order exclusives, so on top of everything else the store page is dishonest or at best carelessly worded: The same bonuses are being offered at Steam, and the language used makes it clear that the bonus is just free DLC which will be offered for sale later.
You might be referring to the text on the Steam page for Kyn that says:

"Prepurchasers receive the Legendary Firemaster set for free! More details below."

but if you scroll down and expand the Pre-Purchase Offer section, you'll see:

"Buy NOW to get the PRE-ORDER EXCLUSIVE ‘Legendary Fire Master Set’."

This is the same text as used on the GOG pages ( and [url=http://www.gog.com/game/kyn_deluxe_edition_preorder]deluxe) for Kyn.
Post edited June 13, 2015 by SeduceMePlz
Posted June 13, 2015
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zlep: So, for me, it's a bigger deal because I trust more indie devs to be honest when they say "exclusive". ^_^
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einexile: Can you honestly say you want them to be?

It is a thorn in your side that other people will eventually be able to have the complete game? Think about that for a minute. You're talking about your friends, your future friends, and someday your own kids. Thank heaven they'll never be able to play the game you played.
I'm not saying I want them to be at all. I was explaining why I'm happier with AAA titles having "exclusives" (because they lie, so we all get the complete game anyway) than I am with indies having "exclusives" (because they're more likely to be honest, so only a chosen few get access to the complete game).

Aside from all the hyperbole about my future friends and kids, it sounds like you and I agree that making game content few people will ever be able to play is a bad idea. I think you've just read my post too quickly to get my point.
Posted June 17, 2015
Pre Order Exclusives are just a slap in the face for any responsable customer. It actively punishes you for waiting for a review to buy the game and it prevents you from getting the complete game afterwards. I always held gog in high regards, but I see this as an insult to the customers.
Posted June 17, 2015
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Gnostic: Another exclusive again. Don't you know it will cannibalize your sales?

It may act as a propellent for more sales before release, but a deterrent after release since there is no point to pay good money for an incomplete experience. Now when there are so much games vying for gamers attention. As the majority of purchase happens after release, it is not wise to deter the majority of your sales.

That said I think GoG choose the wrong kickstarter game for GoG Early Access. Bloodstain has kickstarter exclusive (secret boss, Chain Sword play style) that if you don't sink $60 now in the kickstarter, you are going to miss them out forever, legally.

This is becoming a norm where you suddenly find that you miss out the full experience on a game you are playing
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Is there any exclusive content for the people who funded this game through Kickstarter you know of?
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einexile: In any case these AREN'T exclusives, much less pre-order exclusives, so on top of everything else the store page is dishonest or at best carelessly worded: The same bonuses are being offered at Steam, and the language used makes it clear that the bonus is just free DLC which will be offered for sale later.
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SeduceMePlz: You might be referring to the text on the Steam page for Kyn that says:

"Prepurchasers receive the Legendary Firemaster set for free! More details below."

but if you scroll down and expand the Pre-Purchase Offer section, you'll see:

"Buy NOW to get the PRE-ORDER EXCLUSIVE ‘Legendary Fire Master Set’."

This is the same text as used on the GOG pages ( and [url=http://www.gog.com/game/kyn_deluxe_edition_preorder]deluxe) for Kyn.
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Is there any exclusive content for the people who funded this game through Kickstarter you know of?

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IAmSinistar: Oh, and the only things worse than pre-order exclusives here are "exclusives before the game ever got here". Like the extra characters in Paper Sorcerer that you can only unlock if you backed it on KS. I really like that game, but seriously, fuck all devs who do that.
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Starmaker: I wouldn't say it's worse. I am a GOG fan, I want the complete GOG version. All things being equal, I won't be p̶l̶e̶d̶g̶i̶n̶g̶ donating to a kickstarter campaign which promises backer exclusives, but it doesn't hurt the potential completeness of the product in my GOG account -- it would just mean GOG wasn't able to secure the perfect version. So what, this happens. Both preorder exclusives and kickstarter exclusives spit in the face of future humanity, but only preorder exclusives additionally shit on my shopping experience here at GOG.
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GOG.com: Stand by your kin.

<span class="bold">Kyn</span>, an unforgiving Viking cRPG, is available for pre-order now, DRM-free on GOG.com!

1. Be a viking. 2. Be buried alive. 3. ??? 4. Profit. That's the short version of an ancient Viking ritual designed to grant might and magical powers to the bravest Nordic warriors. Meet <span class="bold">Kyn</span>, six rowdy vikings on a quest to fight off every single monster-like thing that infests their icy world.

The thing about <span class="bold">Kyn</span> is that it's tough, real tough. It's a tactical cRPG that's all about combat like you know it from Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale, no frills attached. Enemies are quick and brutal, and though you have your magic - health is always in short supply, one wrong turn and you're down for the count. Active-pause? Please. While you can slow down the game briefly to catch your bearings, in this world, even time is a limited resource.

Preorder today to receive the “Legendary Firemaster” armour set. The pack includes a full body armor set with chest guard and leg armor as well as a protective helmet with visor, also included is the powerful ‘Eye of the Fire Axe’ that deals extra fire and weapon damage as well as gives you extra attack speed. Brutal!

Want to make real life as awesome as that of the Vikings? Get the <span class="bold">Deluxe Edition</span> for all the goodies that come with the Standard Edition plus the Original Soundtrack.

Preorder <span class="bold">Kyn</span> today, DRM-free on GOG.com!
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Is there any exclusive content for the people who funded this game through Kickstarter anybody know of?
Post edited June 17, 2015 by B-Mehkind
Posted June 18, 2015
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Gnostic: Another exclusive again. Don't you know it will cannibalize your sales?

It may act as a propellent for more sales before release, but a deterrent after release since there is no point to pay good money for an incomplete experience. Now when there are so much games vying for gamers attention. As the majority of purchase happens after release, it is not wise to deter the majority of your sales.

That said I think GoG choose the wrong kickstarter game for GoG Early Access. Bloodstain has kickstarter exclusive (secret boss, Chain Sword play style) that if you don't sink $60 now in the kickstarter, you are going to miss them out forever, legally.

This is becoming a norm where you suddenly find that you miss out the full experience on a game you are playing
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B-Mehkind: ------
Is there any exclusive content for the people who funded this game through Kickstarter you know of?
Is this game funded through kickstarter? I don't know. I just read the description and they seem to be offering pre-order exclusive in-game content.

I mention kickstarter because there are more and more indie games offering exclusive kickstarter in-game content. I don't like this trend that where in exchange for early adopters giving more money earlier to the devs, they promise to make other people game experience lesser.

I am glad that the majority of the backer of Shadow Run, Armello and such see that and voted against that. Kudos to them and I had been nudging kickstarter I backed against that. Still, it does not help that many Indies choose to act like the big publishers. I am looking at you, Banner Saga
Post edited June 18, 2015 by Gnostic
Posted June 21, 2015
Hi Guys,

Can anyone at GoG explain why my request (support ticket number JJ81T2ZV ) is being ignored? I made a mistake and pre-ordered Kyn Standard but wanted the Deluxe version instead. I've emailed three times now requesting either an upgrade route or to cancel my initial pre-order so I can purchase the Deluxe (more money for GoG surely) but I've heard nothing back.

Any response would be grateful.
Posted June 21, 2015
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RCade: Any response would be grateful.
One of the nice things about GoG is that support are actual, human beings that will treat you like one instead of reading from a canned sheet.

One of the downsides of this, however is that it can sometimes take a bit longer - ESPECIALLY on weekends. Don't send a second support ticket (it might bounce your first one down lower when the second "replaces" it) and hang in there for Monday morning.

Don't worry, they're very good about resolving issues... it just sometimes takes a bit of time (you hit the "crazy" post sale / weekend period). But especially when your hard earned cash is on the line, GoG will make sure you end up happy (at least in my experience and seeing others always happy with the way such things are resolved).
Posted June 21, 2015
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Ixamyakxim: One of the nice things about GoG is that support are actual, human beings that will treat you like one instead of reading from a canned sheet.

One of the downsides of this, however is that it can sometimes take a bit longer - ESPECIALLY on weekends. Don't send a second support ticket (it might bounce your first one down lower when the second "replaces" it) and hang in there for Monday morning.

Don't worry, they're very good about resolving issues... it just sometimes takes a bit of time (you hit the "crazy" post sale / weekend period). But especially when your hard earned cash is on the line, GoG will make sure you end up happy (at least in my experience and seeing others always happy with the way such things are resolved).
My initial request was dated the 10th July (same day Kyn was put on pre-order) and I have heard nothing from them regarding my request at all. I've had perfect customer service from GoG on other problems I've had before so I know they do their upmost to help and I also realise its the summer sale (a really busy time for them) but that shouldn't be an excuse IMHO.

I realise I posted this on a Sunday and wouldn't expect a reply so soon, but to be honest, I'm just venting a bit.

Thanks for the reply though :)
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