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SargonAelther: Statements like these always puzzle me, especially when coming from GOG users. If GOG does EVERYTHING worse, why use GOG at all?
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EverNightX: Maybe because your reading comprehension is lacking? I never said GOG did everything worse. You just made that up. I said they were not better than a Steam release and gave examples of why that is.
Sigh, so you want to argue semantics? You said:
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EverNightX: I've never seen a GOG release be better than a Steam release.
If you have NEVER seen a GOG release be better than Steam, then why buy anything at all on GOG?

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SargonAelther: DRM-Free trumps everything else.
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EverNightX: It's my preference too but since these games are playable without the Steam client it's not a reason for me to rebuy them.
If you prefer DRM-Free then that is at least one thing that GOG does better then Steam in most cases. GOG also provides offline installers. That's two. There, you have now seen two things that GOG does better than Steam.

Uncharted does not appear to be DRM-Free on Steam. Epic is DRM-Free if you use the launch parameter, but then one could argue that everything is DRM-Free with enough tinkering. Even if Uncharted were DRM-Free on Steam, Steam would still not supply an offline installer. Of course you could build one yourself, but then that would apply to everything with enough tinkering.

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SargonAelther: all 3 Sony games feature achievements and are up to date
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EverNightX: That's great. If you have not already bought them for PC then no reason not to get them here. But in my case it's the same as what I already have. I did buy Horizon and Days gone on GOG. But GoW and Uncharted I got from Steam.
I was simply trying to imply that I believe they are worth re-buying. Maybe not at full price, but definitely once they all hit a 75% discount.
Post edited February 07, 2024 by SargonAelther
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EverNightX: And if I needed to I can play the Steam release without the Steam client same as the GOG version. But in practice that's never been necessary.
Almost no game i may have interest (which are just a few) are able to be played without a launcher demand... unless maybe trying to circumvent in some way but this is not legit anymore and for some games a headache, for example Final Fantasy 13. You need a mod, the mod is relying on the launcher and the mod provider fails to remove this demand. So, nope... no agreement here. Most people just do "bla bla bla" in order to protect their apparently supreme view but when it comes to "action", the reality seems different.

But indeed... Steam games are always updated and with GoG games... sometimes it just wont happen but in general most of my GoG games are becoming updated at some point... In many cases it will take way longer than on the big platform but the majority, on my games, will get a update.

In general, franchises are protected well... but for those only playing "Indies"... they may be lucky as they generally may work without a launcher (DRM not active).

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SargonAelther: Epic is DRM-Free if you use the launch parameter, but then one could argue that everything is DRM-Free with enough tinkering.
Epic is not DRM free, with some exceptions. No clue regarding your "parameter". As soon as it is requiring a official launcher it is not DRM free anymore, and in general a launcher is demanding a online connection (there might be exceptions).

"Tinkering"... no way, in many cases to much troubles and even paying for it... who want that? Maybe masochistic peoples, there are many of them, i forgot.

I do not mind paying 2 times for a great game, in case there is at some point a DRM free version. However, full price is paid only in term a DRM free game is provided at the launch date.
Post edited February 07, 2024 by Xeshra
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SargonAelther: I was simply trying to imply that I believe they are worth re-buying. Maybe not at full price, but definitely once they all hit a 75% discount.
Why? I'd gain nothing.
Post edited February 07, 2024 by EverNightX
Thank you for your pretty self centered statement and please let other peoples accept their "view" of what is a gain to them.
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Xeshra: Thank you for your pretty self centered statement and please let other peoples accept their "view" of what is a gain to them.
Of course. I'm only speaking for myself. I have no problem with others re-buying the same thing multiple times.
Post edited February 07, 2024 by EverNightX
Then do not bother telling others that they care for no reason, because the reason is invisible to you.
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Xeshra: Then do not bother telling others that they care for no reason, because the reason is invisible to you.
Uh what? All I said was that I bought Uncharted/GoW already on Steam.
Then I was told "GOG release is better than Steam or Epic though"

And all I'm saying is that I do not agree that my Steam copy is inferior to the GOG version. I'm not telling others anything about what they should care about.
Post edited February 07, 2024 by EverNightX
To those who care the possible gains... the Steam, EGS whatever- version is inferior to them, i agree on this statement.
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tfishell: I do think that GOG should use "TBA" more often instead of "Coming Soon", though.
Aren't they metonymic in this context because both lack specific details such as a release date or expected arrival?
Post edited February 07, 2024 by Mori_Yuki
I will agree that having some Sony games on PC is "truly a blessing" if & when 100% of all of the spyware is removed from them. Until then, they are certainly not a "blessing."

Moreover, if Sony really wanted to "bless" PC gamers, then they would also release their full catalog on PC, DRM-free. But it's not like that is ever going to happen.
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SargonAelther: I was simply trying to imply that I believe they are worth re-buying. Maybe not at full price, but definitely once they all hit a 75% discount.
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EverNightX: Why? I'd gain nothing.
Well fair enough. You are free to decide for yourself in the end.

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Xeshra: Epic is not DRM free, with some exceptions. No clue regarding your "parameter". As soon as it is requiring a official launcher it is not DRM free anymore, and in general a launcher is demanding a online connection (there might be exceptions).
In Windows most executables (EXE files) support command line parameters. If you were launching an executable via a command line, you could add additional subcommands at the end of said command. Of course no one really launches applications with command line any more, but the functionality is still there and widely used. These parameters can be placed in shortcuts, at the end of the "Target" box. Steam refers to these as "Launch Options" and Galaxy refers to them as "Arguments".

I'm sure you've heard of Steam's "Launch Options" at the very least.

So the Epic launcher can be bypassed on many games with a certain command line parameter. As a result, such games are generally considered DRM-Free. I will not elaborate further on this topic. I'm sure you can understand.

And yes, I still value GOG more, because we do not need a parameter to bypass Galaxy and GOG also supplies offline installers in most cases.
Post edited February 07, 2024 by SargonAelther
If you can make FF 13 work with mods and no launcher or online connection (basically DRM free behavior), then you are my hero, if not i guess this power of yours is not sufficient.

A "parameter" only works if a dev is allowing it, it is no magical trick to make something DRM free. I got no clue why we even talk about because we apparently talk about different things. Do you think they want to allow it to you on a game with forced online mode? Of course not. There are exceptions, sure... as always. Why are many of the Steam users so full of ignorance? There is no magical way just to make everything DRM free except for the stuff with no true lock... mostly indies or games that are already on GoG. Because either they did never care or they say "OK, it is already DRM free somewhere, lets enable it". They are surely not more stupid (ok, you never know...) than some of the users who thinks they can circumvent everything with a speclal "easy trick".

Yes, Steam and EGS does allow to provide stuff DRM free, so the decision is made by the publisher, always, and believe me... there is a good bunch of games that are locked the hard way. I think the people simply believe what they WANT TO SEE, not the thing that is actually the hard reality. Typical human behavior.

GoG is simply better for my needs but... many games are still missing here.
Post edited February 10, 2024 by Xeshra
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tfishell: I do think that GOG should use "TBA" more often instead of "Coming Soon", though.
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Mori_Yuki: Aren't they metonymic in this context because both lack specific details such as a release date or expected arrival?
most probably a matter of perception. In my case the "soon" in "coming soon" implies a release in the not so distant future while "to be anounced" does not even has a time frame associated to it in my mind, it just states the fact that it will eventually be released here.
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Xeshra: A "parameter" only works if a dev is allowing it, it is no magical trick to make something DRM free.
I never said that it was a magic trick, but the point is that quite a few games on epic support it. This even includes Epic's very own Alan Wake 2.

I'd love to have Alan Wake 2 on GOG, but I doubt it will ever reach Steam, let alone GOG. So I'm thankful that it is DRM-Free* on their own platform at least.
Post edited February 08, 2024 by SargonAelther
Nah...

Using this argument will prevent controllers and skipping cutscenes from working, and will use a \Default-Epic-User\ save folder instead.

Oh yeah lets just enable it but next time lets even remove the Mouse... issue solved.
Post edited February 08, 2024 by Xeshra