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moobot83: only morons spend lots of money for cosmetic shit in games not just fortnite but it s eems to be the way gaming is going releasing barbones games with time gated DLC, like BF5 did they even had a time lock on the god damn practice range lol, and then theres lootboxes i dnt mind it so much if yo ucan earn currency i ngame like in overwatch but the worst is probably black ops 4 with cod points which you cant earn in game you have to pay real money for them
Dead Space 3(while engaging story/character wise) had this: Many custom guns/mods which cost resources, and while resources could be mined in-game they were limited & if you wanted every weapon you'd need to spend real world money.

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Crosmando: Exactly what is happening with Disney and the new Star Wars films and superhero movies. They are terrible by any stretch of the imagination, yet Disney is capable by it's enormous market share and unlimited resources to FORCE them on the audience.
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BreOl72: I fear I will regret asking that question...but how exactly is Disney capable of forcing someone to watch their movies?
If a movie promotes "certain messages/viewpoints"(of a diverse/inclusive nature) and you don't go see it, your significant other(bf/gf)/family/friends will browbeat you until you cave and go see it(or they'll shun you/call you all sorts of things if you don't). Case in point: Captain Marvel/GhostBusters 2016(for starters). Heck, Avgn(Youtuber) said he'd never watch Ghostbusters 2016, but then his gf/wife complained and he caved and watched it anyways.

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GHOSTMD: From where i stand, ever since STEAM got non optional, no one gives a fuck about
"Vote with your wallet"

Most of the gamers say "Fuck it i wanna play" ever since 2010, not giving a fuck about
DRM non optional sniffing tools aka STEAM, Origin, UPlay, BN 2.0 and so on
(let alone Epic now)

Why does that work? because every company behind those shitty control tools had their
share of exclusives even if your could buy them on steam they required a (for example)
UPlay account.

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I don t see that happen, anytime soon. Bloody hell... it is getting even worse with streamed games "soon™"
Most people who say f*ck it will often crack such protections out of their games(legal or no), and they'll usually buy it on deep discount to further say f*ck it to the client store/devs.

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Streamed games will never take off for most people/places. You'd need a GREAT connection/storage capacity, for starters(and possibly always online as well). Many in even first world nations have crap internet(compared to some nations like japan). As such, I don't see it being viable for awhile.
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Yeshu: By making it the "hip and trendy movie YOU MUST WATCH!!!", basically harassment marketing.
You don't watch the movie and you are "left out of the cool kids circle".
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BreOl72: So, basically it's not Disney forcing you...it's your own weak self that is forcing you.

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Yeshu: Off course they wont physically force you to watch it, but the Disney corporate machine already made watching there movies a political statement and if you don't like it you are basically a nazi.
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BreOl72: Wow, that went in an unexpected direction.
1. No, it's society at large/their shunning of those with other opinions that's "forcing" people(as I said in my other reply to you above/before this one).

2. See prior reply once more.

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Yeshu: Disney is creating a environment where consuming there product is a gateway to enter many social circles.
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BreOl72: Maybe if you're ten years old.
Some 20-30 year olds are being forced(as I said in my prior replies on this to you) to watch such by their friends/gfs/bfs/etc else they get shunned/called nazi-bigot-xphobe/etc.
Post edited April 25, 2019 by GameRager
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Endgame sucks because Iron Man dies in the end.
Cap America gets to wield Thor Hammer.
Valkyrie becomes queen of asgard cuz girl power pushed by Marvel.

The movie is crap, but people will watch it cuz crazy fanboys.
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GameRager: Streamed games will never take off for most people/places. You'd need a GREAT connection/storage capacity, for starters(and possibly always online as well). Many in even first world nations have crap internet(compared to some nations like japan). As such, I don't see it being viable for awhile.
Just you wait, there was a time ... around 2010 and before when i still thought, heh, this ll never really take off.
Since ppl want to own their game, want the goodies that comes even with normal editions.

Here we are.... STEAM and all the other non optional monitoring tools, already pushing the boundaries of
what they can get away with. Streamed games is just the next logical step, to make the gamers even more
rely on third parties and don t let them really OWN their games.

Steam and Co already deleting games when the license runs out, worst thing for gamers, i ve read about,
was GTA 4 got his Radio Stations patched (music deleted) because the license ran out.

At this point i even doubt, gamers would start to cry when they try to delete your games after 1 year or so.
Becasue the license runs out.... *cough cough*

There are not many Studios i personally see swim against this trend, out there.
Post edited April 25, 2019 by GHOSTMD
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GameRager: Streamed games will never take off for most people/places. You'd need a GREAT connection/storage capacity, for starters(and possibly always online as well). Many in even first world nations have crap internet(compared to some nations like japan). As such, I don't see it being viable for awhile.
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GHOSTMD: 1. Just you wait, there was a time ... around 2010 and before when i still thought, heh, this ll never really take off.
Since ppl want to own their game, want the goodies that comes even with normal editions.

Here we are.... STEAM and all the other non optional monitoring tools, already pushing the boundaries of
what they can get away with. Streamed games is just the next logical step, to make the gamers even more
rely on third parties and don t let them really OWN their games.

2. Steam and Co already deleting games when the license runs out, worst thing for gamers, i ve read about,
was GTA 4 got his Radio Stations patched (music deleted) because the license ran out.

At this point i even doubt, gamers would start to cry when they try to delete your games after 1 year or so.
Becasue the license runs out.... *cough cough*

There are not many Studios i personally see swim against this trend, out there.
1.a. Again, most people like steam because they can(with a bit of work, legal or no) make their games their own permanently....with no further intrusion/modification by steam itself. They cannot do so(or easily, at any rate) with streamed games. As such, I think they'll be less into it(even if it becomes feasible for everyone).

2.a. Did they really delete people's games they no lnger had the license to sell? If so, what titles? As for the GTA4 music: Gog already started selling games with cut content: Quake 1/2 don't have their music because it's license expired/the game's IP rights holders don't own the right to the music.
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GameRager: 1. How have you managed to keep up your gaming backlog by only spending $10 total in 3 years? 0.o
Oh gee, I don't know....

The trick is finding games that keep my attention longer than an hour.

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GameRager: 2. The same could be said with DLC for console titles(storyline....once it's DL'd it's fine, but if you lose your console/it gets damaged you can lose your data....especially if you can't get another console to recover your account on. Also true if the console's serves ever shut down and you need to re-dl that DLC data/patches). I wonder: Should archives exist/be made for DLC(story/etc) & patches for(good) AAA console titles? :\
Yes archives should exist... but you know that isn't going to happen for console stuff.
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Yes I voted before with my wallet especially with those damn games they release as episodes Yeah devs DON'T DO THAT you want my cash I want a full game WITHOUT DLCS or Loot boxes or Micro-SCREWMYWALLET-overs! just A GAME PLEASE!

and keep your FRIGGIN LEFTY ID POLITICS OUT OF IT PLEASE!

I don't need 753 pronouns for one single character!

I would totally Kill for a paradroid 90 clone done in First Person perspective
Post edited April 25, 2019 by fr33kSh0w2012
voting with your wallet i think is more relevant now than it has been, game devloeprs want to squeeze every pound/dollar or watever out of you, back in the 90's all you bought was the console and the game, now you buy the game (which is bare bones bf5 or a bug filled fallout 76 mess) and after you buy the game they want you to spend more in the game.

i mean even world of warcraft is suffering with this i ssue not as bad but its heading that way you can now buy tokens for £17 in exchange for gold and on the patch 8.2 PTR they had boring basic vendor gryphon mounts for 50K!! gold and thats not the worst bit, get this they updated the PTR and now want 90K!!! FOR A FREAKING GRYPHON ARE U SERIOUS BLIZZARD, and with all the bullshit on the blizzard store like mounts, cod coins destiny silver, hearthstone packs, im not gonna say pets cos alot of them are purchased when they donate to charity which is really nice.
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fr33kSh0w2012: and keep your FRIGGIN LEFTY ID POLITICS OUT OF IT PLEASE!
Yeah, I hate it when people foist their politics on others.
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fr33kSh0w2012: and keep your FRIGGIN LEFTY ID POLITICS OUT OF IT PLEASE!
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tinyE: Yeah, I hate it when people foist their politics on others.
AGH HAHAHAHAHAHA that is the reason I'm anti all of that Because others FORCE that stuff down everyones throats

It's always FORCED SJW FORCED FEMINISM FORCED everything else where I am a Libertarian and I get hated for it why it's picking the best of both worlds

it's called FREEDOM OF CHOICE TinyE and you HATE freedom of CHOICE?

You seriously have lost the plot.

Here TinyE why would you be against This!

what internet are you using because everything for me is SQUARE on the forums
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Post edited April 25, 2019 by fr33kSh0w2012
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GameRager: If a movie promotes "certain messages/viewpoints"(of a diverse/inclusive nature) and you don't go see it, your significant other(bf/gf)/family/friends will browbeat you until you cave and go see it(or they'll shun you/call you all sorts of things if you don't). Case in point: Captain Marvel/GhostBusters 2016(for starters). Heck, Avgn(Youtuber) said he'd never watch Ghostbusters 2016, but then his gf/wife complained and he caved and watched it anyways.
If your anecdotic evidence based on one youtuber is valid, then so is mine. I didn't watch either of those movies (or any star wars outside of the 1-6 for that matter) and I don't plan to. GB because while I like strong/lead women, they should get their own story. I think remakes usually suck and I treasure my memory of the originals. I wasn't even aware that the second one exists.

Somehow I'm still alive and no one is browbeating me. I guess grown up people have better things to do than care about such shallow issues. Or at least people I choose to hang out with.
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GameRager: If a movie promotes "certain messages/viewpoints"(of a diverse/inclusive nature) and you don't go see it, your significant other(bf/gf)/family/friends will browbeat you until you cave and go see it(or they'll shun you/call you all sorts of things if you don't). Case in point: Captain Marvel/GhostBusters 2016(for starters). Heck, Avgn(Youtuber) said he'd never watch Ghostbusters 2016, but then his gf/wife complained and he caved and watched it anyways.
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huan: If your anecdotic evidence based on one youtuber is valid, then so is mine. I didn't watch either of those movies (or any star wars outside of the 1-6 for that matter) and I don't plan to. GB because while I like strong/lead women, they should get their own story. I think remakes usually suck and I treasure my memory of the originals. I wasn't even aware that the second one exists.

Somehow I'm still alive and no one is browbeating me. I guess grown up people have better things to do than care about such shallow issues. Or at least people I choose to hang out with.
Exactly huan I'll Never watch those either I loved the originals because they "had a story" the new ones are just a western version of chun Li out of street fighter and it's stupid the whole plot falls apart!
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GameRager: Imo, if a game IP holder says GOG can't post some content then it's not GOG's decision & they shouldn't be penalized for it. Plus, some of the content is(legally in some areas) available via mod/etc sites for DL/install(such as Quake 1/2's music).

As for other principles(I assume you mean of GOG) being axed....well some were caused by IP holder pressures, and again are not up to GOG(unless they want to stop selling that IP holder's games and/or stop assciating with that company entirely....and i'm guessing GOG wants to be able to bring more classic games to the service and not less[within reason])

I support you sticking by your guns, though.
It might be much more complex than that. There are "plotholes" as well, in the entire picture. For example, GOG promised to negotiate the re-addition of Fallout extras ever since 2015, when Bethesda dropped in... But they never updated status, or made any announcement, regarding. Bethesda claims that they didn't have such a negotiation going on between them, either. While GOG left users passively forget the deal, over time, hoping that everybody will settle for the raw package and the new customs.

It 's been a long time, since we had that talk in the forums again, before; about extras/goodies. The biggest damage is done by those "newcomers", who like Steam features and settle down for less (content). Old fans/customers here, knew things used to work differently, before. GOG was also honest and upfront; unlike dropping adequately wislisted games and hitting "suckers" with the "it's too niche" line. And those "silent hits", like abolishing old policies without warning/notice, are surely the most dangerous ones... At least they should admit turning pro Censorship, stopping caring about extras completely (let alone bargaining for) and dropping the ball on completed game packages... Or something.
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GameRager: As for better alternatives to voting with one's wallet:
One can promote/soapbox for a game/game company's vile practices via the big platforms(youtube/twitter/facebook/etc) or via smaller forums and sites.
Word of mouth can eventually lead to pressure put on companies to change(or action being taken like with some gov't banning game lootboxes).
So, basically, you call for
(1) public shaming, pestering and pressurizing, and
(2) governmental regulation, over what is allowed in games.

Regarding (2) I find that pretty interesting, if we take into account the general rejection/disapproval of the gamer "community", when it comes to any kind of regulations in games.

Regarding (1) I find it amusing, that you call for the very same thing, which you condemn if it's coming from others (as can be read here):

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GameRager: If a movie promotes "certain messages/viewpoints"(of a diverse/inclusive nature) and you don't go see it, your significant other(bf/gf)/family/friends will browbeat you until you cave and go see it(or they'll shun you/call you all sorts of things if you don't).
As I have already answered to Yeshu: that's your own weaker self then, that "forces" you to watch a movie, which you don't want to watch - Disney has nothing to do with it. That's alone your decision.
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GameRager: No, it's society at large/their shunning of those with other opinions that's "forcing" people(as I said in my other reply to you above/before this one).
No - it's your own inability to just say no, that "forces" you. It doesn't matter, how often you try to put the blame on your family/friends or society in general. At the end of day - it's all on you.

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GameRager: Some 20-30 year olds are being forced(as I said in my prior replies on this to you) to watch such by their friends/gfs/bfs/etc else they get shunned/called nazi-bigot-xphobe/etc.
At this point we are going in circles, so I'll only say it once more: nobody forces you - neither Disney, nor whatever parts of society.

Besides: if you just don't want to watch a movie because of "messages/viewpoints of diversive/inclusive nature" - your family/friends may have a point here.
But that's a can of worms I won't open in an online conversation.

Of course, one could also say your family/friends have no right to shame and pester you or put pressure on you to go and watch a movie that you don't want to watch...
hmm...wasn't there someone, just calling for exactly that kind of behaviour? ;)

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GameRager: Case in point: Captain Marvel/GhostBusters 2016(for starters).
What's with those?
I haven't seen Capt. Marvel yet, but I was in Ghostbusters (2016).

And while the latter wasn't exactly what I had hoped for, it was - despite its obvious flaws - a nice enough popcorn movie.

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GameRager: Heck, Avgn(Youtuber) said he'd never watch Ghostbusters 2016, but then his gf/wife complained and he caved and watched it anyways.
Question: what has one YouTuber's weakness to do with anything?

More specifically: what has his weakness to do with you? I mean, apart from the fact that I now have to assume, that you share his weakness.

Because: I never went to see a movie, I had no interest in, just because someone else wanted me to.
Of course - I also never had a problem with "messages/viewpoints of diversive/inclusive nature".
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huan: If your anecdotic evidence based on one youtuber is valid, then so is mine. I didn't watch either of those movies (or any star wars outside of the 1-6 for that matter) and I don't plan to.
GB because while I like strong/lead women, they should get their own story.
I watched it, and yeah...that was my main gripe with Ghostbusters (2016) - the "retelling" of the original story - instead of telling a new, original one.

I mean, the possibilities were there: they could just have said that the new Ghostbusters are the daughters/nieces of the original Ghostbusters and that they took over the business, or something like that...and then deliver a fun, original story built on that.

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huan: Somehow I'm still alive and no one is browbeating me. I guess grown up people have better things to do than care about such shallow issues. Or at least people I choose to hang out with.
Bingo!
Same here.
Post edited April 25, 2019 by BreOl72
The consumer is voting with wallet all the time. Thera are more and more DLC that aren´t worth anything because vastly majority of players is buying them. We are a minority, that´s all. If someone believes that a minority - who doesn´t support DLC or DRM or copy/paste franchises or - can change the market, is wrong.

However voting with wallet is still valid for players like me. I really love single player narrative oriented games. With a lot of atmosphere. Kingdom Come was my GOTY of 2018, but i have no illusion where the market is, it´s 2 million against like +100 million of Fortnine. There is the real market. But while there will be enough people to support games I mentioned, there will be a market for. So yes, when I buy games like Kingdom Come, Metro Exodus, Frostpunk, or Witcher 3 I´m voting with my walles as well. I will not change the market, but if there will be enough people like me, there still will be market for games I like to play.