Many people "don't have that choice" though(due to peer pressure, if you want to be accepted/followed/liked you have to belong to/frequent the big platforms & many youngsters/some older folk/more famous celebrities & personalities do). Also some networking(for some fields) requires an online presence to a certain degree.

All you need to do if be a big enough/tempting enough target and have personal information that such people can get ahold of.

(Also if you don't think Disney/WB/etc don't realise such people shun those who dislike some things and use such to get more viewers for their product, then I have a bridge i'd like to sell you sometime.)


I assume this is meant for me? 0.o

How so? The multiposting, or the 'tell it like it is" style of posting?

That's not necessarily bad or wrong... As long as they are honest/upfront about it and notify their customers. Turning pro-censor suddenly and settling down for incomplete game packages with less to no extras/goodies, while not a core selling point like "fair pricing", are still serious matters for the people shopping here; especially those who vote with their wallet. And fidelity is the first and foremost of "customer-vendor goodwill relationship", at the end.

To me, DRM free CORE games are what i'm after.....games that run"out of the box" with little to no fuss(tweaking to make some stuff look/run better is ok if I know what to do). If a few expansions are missing(and the rights are notn owned by the main game owners) or some extras are missing(due to the main game owners not having them or some such) then I make do.

If they censored stuff intentionally(lewd content removal/certain symbolism being removed in some versions/etc) i'd be against it, however.

I only spend money on macrotransactions, microtransactions are for the plebzzz.

Horse armor or train cars? Gotta have them train cars, amiright?

Exactly that and also girlfriends certainly aren't impressed by microtransactions.

No, they all like season passes. ;)

This, it's very simple.

People always say "voting doesn't work because the bad stuff keeps happening!" but that's because people disagree with you about what "the bad stuff" is. People support microtransactions in droves, which is why they are happening everywhere. Same reason "bad" food like pizza and steak is super popular, or political candidates you think are evil win elections. The majority disagrees, accept it.

First things first: your "objectively noble cause" is to speak up against movies, that dare to portray powerful women?
Some people may think, your "objectively noble cause" is neither objective, nor noble.

And, out of curiosity: what are these "worse things than powerful women" that Disney(?) advocates for?
Oh, I'm totally with you...of course, we then can't just stop at that point.
What about depiction of violence and nudity (in games, films and books)?
Or foul language (in games, films and books)?
Or certain flags (let's say: the confederate flag - I believe that rag stands for a horrible era in the US - we should ban it).

Oh, and when we talk about physical harm targeted at/ and done to children, we may not forget to ban AR15s, etc.
The more you tell me about how people calling you racist, bigot and misogynist, the more interested I get in seeing with my own eyes, how your social media posts must look like...these reactions usually don't come from nothing. (but having read this whole comment of yours, I think, I have a pretty good idea, how they might look like).
????
Yeah - not for me, they aren't.
I did address that question in my last reply already - please read that again.

I also find it very telling, that you call the inclusion of powerful women in whatever media as "propaganda".
That doesn't make any sense - either you are against the message, or you are not against the message.
And again: nothing gets "forced" on you, as long as you don't allow it to be "forced" on you.
Yeah - only you are calling for that exactly.
Behind these corporations and IP holders are real human beings, believe it or not.
And if you "call to arms" to put pressure on these companies, you actually put pressure on the people working there.
You know - the ones answering the phones, or the emails, or the ones responsible for the twitter and/or FB accounts.
Your pressure gets first and foremost put on them.

And we both know that the online variant of "putting pressure onto something" isn't done in nice words and a well-mannered behaviour.

Heck, you should know this even better than me - since you try to convince me how horrible your life is, because other people (and not just some strangers, no, sir! but even friends and family) call you names.
1) What's wrong with the depiction of strong girls/women? Seriously...what irks you so much about it?
2) Again - you claim you like it,...but your words and actions betray you.
3) "the more gullible/easily led masses"...wow! Just wow!
Dude, do you read from time to time what you type?

Question: who made you the police? Who pinned the badge on your chest?
Yeah, not kidding - I wonder why...
1) What has his "ample profitable following" to do with the movies he watches in private?
2) If he knew that he would face backlash over his confession (having watched Ghostbusters (2016))...then why did he announce it publicly?
Why didn't he just keep the secret for himself?
3) Didn't you claim it was his GF/wife, who "forced" him to watch the movie?
And now it was the whole internet? You should try to keep your stories together.
And again: why?

You always return to the claim "I don't have anything against (Disney's et al) message - but I think it's our god-given duty to fight it with teeth and claws!!"

You yourself are definitely not sending a coherent message.
No. We are just two grown-ups with a mind of our own, and the willpower to stand by it.
It's as simple as that.

Whoa whoa whoa.

That's it - a line has been crossed!



But seriously, there certainly is plenty of bad pizza out there, but ...there's a thousand different ways to make it, and some of that is preeeetty fantastic. How Little Caesar's stays in business, sure, I have no idea other than that it's dirt cheap.

Substituting cardboard for the crust probably helps keep it profitable.

I meant bad for you.

If it tastes like fish it probably is half rotten chicken from 10 years ago.

Cause who would eat steamed fish on a pizza am I right?

You'd probably get diseases from half cooked fish anyway.

I've heard before some rom sites were asked for the roms because the owners had long since lost the sources and even copies of them.

Besides, after a few years the game is likely not interested anymore and holds little if any monetary value to keep selling. Books are no longer being produced after 2 years, and software about the same. (at least physical media).

I agree that some may have differing ideas of bad/good, but some things are objectively bad/"bad" gaming dev business practices. Like: Lootboxes for irl money(which prey on those with gambling addictions), paytowin games(another bane on those with such addictions), and the like.

As such, yes.....some people really do have sh*t taste and are mindlessly causing the mainstream gaming market(there are exceptions and kickstarters/etc) to become worse(objectively & detrimentally to the consumer) in various ways.


Reply posted below/in next post, due to character limit. Sorry for the inconvenience.

1. Not to st*r the hornet's nest, but are you even reading the points i'm trying to make here? I said I dislike the stuff being pushed due to how/where it's pushed(i.e. in media designed for children/the more gullible and easily swayed) & sometimes why(to sway the masses to a certain belief system/ideology via media shouldn't be acceptable in most cases).

I couldn't care less if individuals/certain groups wanted to spread such messages in private forums/venues online/irl, but when companies/gov'ts start pushing such to influence/control the masses(barring exceptions like public message campaigns as tv ads, perhaps)....well, that's when I take issue to it. It doesn't matter what they're saying, once again, but how/where.

2. Now I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. Either way, the slippery slope fallacy is still a fallacy. One can(and should) impose some limits on society for the betterment of all(like laws against murder/grand theft/etc). Everyone with a functional and logical brain knows and accepts this.

(As for weapons: We don't usually allow working tanks/nukes into civilian's hands...for obvious reasons. Some limits are good, once again. This doesn;'t stop others from trying to ban other things, yes, but that's why we have activism/protests/vetos.)

3. Now I pretty much know you're taking the piss with me here.

Basically it seems like you're acting purposefully dense/misinterpreting my words/trying to put words in my mouth and
trying to allude that because I say some get called bigot/racist/sexist online for certain viewpoints, that I must be talking from personal experience & thus a closet racist/bigot/sexist/etc.

I used those examples(of others I have seen online in news reports/forum posts/etc) to prove a point, not to take them on as my own faults.

4. If you honestly can't complete that statement with what I was getting at then I dunnon what to tell you. All I meant was that those of us(myself included) who don't post such online don't have to worry like others do who have bigger social presences, and they have to deal with the consequences.

5. Wait, so let me get this straight here: Because you don't experience such, are you saying they are less of an issue/they don't exist? Is that what you're trying to say?

6. Again, it's not the topic(women's promotion/diversity/whatever) that is the issue, but where/how/why it's being presented.

7. It does make sense. One can also be against how/why/where a message is being presented(and the motives behind the message being presented in such a fashion)

As for stuff being forced: As I said countless times already: You've been lucky to not experience such, but some are basically(for all intents and purposes) "forced" by social shaming/stigma to watch such, and for those who watch such willingly(who are more gullible/easily influenced) they can be forced(slowly, over time) to change their ways of thinking with enough exposure to such media/messaging.

In short: Pushing a message(any message, bad or good) in certain ways/to certain people is bad/deceptive/underhanded.......full stop. It could be something as "good" as some socialist policies or something bad like hate speech/beliefs, any such messaging in certain mediums, to me( and many others) is wrong.....same as some believe church/state mixing is wrong, or corporate lobbying is wrong. And just because you have been lucky enough to not see such or experience such social pressuring, that doesn't make such any less real.

8. I'm sure if I wanted to(and found this conversation much more important than a time waster essentially, as you don't seem to be convinced/in a world of your own on the matter), I could find others who agree with such. I just choose not to atm(This doesn't mean such people don't exist, however, logically speaking) because I feel the issue of convincing you to be not that important/likely.

As for corporations being people: Yes, some poor blokes/lasses work at corps. This doesn't mean that they should be targeted(that is reserved for the ones in charge of decision making). It also doesn't mean such lower level employees should be targeted, but as with all movements there will always be some bad apples. This doesn't mean, however, that all activism is bad/shouldn't be attempted.

Also: I never said this was about me. Stop trying to make me look like a loon/discredit me just because you disagree with what I write. Either debate the issues sincerely/without trickery or just stop replying entirely.

9. I simply used "girl power" as an example of entertainment media being used to push a message.

A question: Would the point i'm trying to make have bothered you so much if I brought up alt-right/hate speech messages in media that i'm against?

Also, no one made me the police(and why word it as such? Why are you so against what i'm saying? Because I used progressive side examples in my points or for some other reason?).

I am merely trying to point out methods of influencing the masses I disagree with and how I feel they should/can be combated effectively. This is no more different/wrong than those on the more progressive side of the aisle advocating such tactics for civil change of law/policy in various circles.

10. Again, do you want to civilly debate me on this or simply make personal attacks? Use less weasel words and(nastily) manipulative phrasing. Debate me on the points/issues at hand and stop trying to make personal attacks on my character, if that's at all possible.

11. A. His following would obviously be pissed/unsub to him to a degree if they found out he didn't adhere to whatever principle they adhered to. They literally do it online(to many such celebrities) all the time. As he makes money from subs/views, this makes it worth his while to watch the stuff he hates/praise it when prssured by others.

(Not all such celebs cave/do such, but a good number do)

Also, I said his gf/wife pressured him to watch it(and his not wanting to lose views/subs pressured him in an indrect manner). No story problems here.

12. The message is and always has been coherent, if you read carefully(and don't act purposefully dense to push a point). I don't like the methods/venues being used to promote said messages, not the messages themselves. One can have both of those views, you know. They're not mutually excluding.

13. No, the both of you seem to have the social visibility/"luck"/personal info listed en masse online/ire of those who find you or your ideas disagreeable, so you automatically seem to think that the problem isn't a problem because it doesn't affect you directly. This is a logical fallacy, you know.(i.e. It doesn't affect me so it must not be as bad/those being affected can simply choose to ignore the problem and that'll solve everything.)

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Tl;dr - It has been interesting replying to you, but I have to say this: Unless you can sit back and read what I write carefully/not misinterpret what I say, and without using logical fallacies/character attacks/etc, I am done replying to you on the matter. If you choose to read what I write carefully and debate me/not attack me personally i'm all for it, however.


Stuff like this is why I advocate for gaming archives/media archives beyond public library style facilities. Heck, I even think private(non downloadable backup archive sites) rom sites/files sites should be made for "non tampered" versions of games/media(GOG/etc often have to alter stuff to make it work and this means changing files around) as well as newer more compatible versions(gog/etc)