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OLED have problems normal LCD do not have
from what i understand OLED can burn in real easy and gives ghosts effects

also OLED is around 30% more expensive why nobody knows.
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Abishia: OLED have problems normal LCD do not have
from what i understand OLED can burn in real easy and gives ghosts effects

also OLED is around 30% more expensive why nobody knows.
Sounds like a useless technology right now.

LED are low powered and very versitile... I would say i love LED vs the plasma screens they had originally for say laptops, unless you like BBBBLLLLURRRRR!!!!. I remember trying a 286 laptop with windows 3.1 which the mouse blurred and disappeared after a moment until you stopped moving the mouse, and playing games was a literal nightmare... A bit worse than gameboy games.
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Abishia: OLED have problems normal LCD do not have
from what i understand OLED can burn in real easy and gives ghosts effects

also OLED is around 30% more expensive why nobody knows.
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rtcvb32: Sounds like a useless technology right now.

LED are low powered and very versitile... I would say i love LED vs the plasma screens they had originally for say laptops, unless you like BBBBLLLLURRRRR!!!!. I remember trying a 286 laptop with windows 3.1 which the mouse blurred and disappeared after a moment until you stopped moving the mouse, and playing games was a literal nightmare... A bit worse than gameboy games.
This thread reminds me of a video I saw a couple of years ago, highlighting how gaming on a CRT was actually pretty good. They then got an old 1080 Sony monitor and ran Control on it.

Part of me thinks that Geralt is looking at the wrong technology - it might be time to move back to CRT and focus less on resolution, more on quality of image...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8BVTHxc4LM
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pds41: Also, while this could be considered to be off-topic, a word to the wise: perhaps you should look at how you talk to the other forum users before you criticise responses that you get.
And what would you say to Jon_Irenicus_PL?

On topic: I bought a new TV a few years ago. I researched the models within my budget an chose the one that fitted my requirements best... and got the best reviews. OLED was not within my budget.
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rtcvb32: Sounds like a useless technology right now.

LED are low powered and very versitile... I would say i love LED vs the plasma screens they had originally for say laptops, unless you like BBBBLLLLURRRRR!!!!. I remember trying a 286 laptop with windows 3.1 which the mouse blurred and disappeared after a moment until you stopped moving the mouse, and playing games was a literal nightmare... A bit worse than gameboy games.
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pds41: This thread reminds me of a video I saw a couple of years ago, highlighting how gaming on a CRT was actually pretty good. They then got an old 1080 Sony monitor and ran Control on it.

Part of me thinks that Geralt is looking at the wrong technology - it might be time to move back to CRT and focus less on resolution, more on quality of image...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8BVTHxc4LM
Early/mid CRT had blurring between pixels so it was almost free Anti-aliasing. Sega Genesis games actually were made to take advantage of how that blurring happened to do a transparency of mixed pixels for 'shadows' and everything which was an interesting approach to the problem at the time.

Dithering on the Genesis with Composite Video

As you go higher and higher resolution it takes a ton more processing, but eventually you remove the need for Anti-aliasing.

Honestly i do like clear good video but the higher resolutions make the.... uncanny valley a lot more noticable. Finding a good middle ground, is probably best. Though once you get used to higher resolutions it is a bit more difficult to go back.
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rtcvb32: Sounds like a useless technology right now.

LED are low powered and very versitile... I would say i love LED vs the plasma screens they had originally for say laptops, unless you like BBBBLLLLURRRRR!!!!. I remember trying a 286 laptop with windows 3.1 which the mouse blurred and disappeared after a moment until you stopped moving the mouse, and playing games was a literal nightmare... A bit worse than gameboy games.
Correction. That was probably a passive matrix LCD display. No light emitting diodes there; you'd be lucky to get the Electroluminescence llight on most devices of that type.
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Darvond: Correction. That was probably a passive matrix LCD display. No light emitting diodes there; you'd be lucky to get the Electroluminescence llight on most devices of that type.
Hmmm perhaps. My familiarity with those types of screens i've only seen once or twice on really old systems. I'm not sure if it was backlit or not. I just know it was impossibe for anything that involved movement of any kind.
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topolla: - dark places are darker for huge contrast feeling but you can't see details (new LCD displays have the same problem);
I disagree with pretty much everything you said, but want to focus on this. That's just bad calibration on your part, or perhaps you dislike proper gamma because you think everything in dark areas should be visible. People used to crap blacks on TN panels tend to think proper gamma is "too dark," in my experience, because they're used to raised blacks making everything too visible.
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Lillesort131: Really? Which kind of infinity are we talking about? Real infinity? Complex infinity? What does it even mean for a ratio, which is necessarily a number, to be infinite? Are we working in the extended real line? The one-point compactification of the complex numbers?
You cannot just specify “infinite” without also describing exactly which infinity you mean.
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Jon_Irenicus_PL: As for your complaints about the semantics of the word infinity:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophist weird that you got upvoted for being one
This is not a semantically valid answer for my question about which kind of infinity you referred to. You said “Infinite contrast ratio”. In order to make sense of that, we need to know exactly which infinity you mean, as it is not well-defined the way you write it.

By your use of the word “ratio”, it is implied that the contrast is a quotient of two quantities. Since the most basic yet widely-used structure where “quotient” makes sense is a commutative ring, I assume you are working in such one. However, attaining infinity in such a ring by a simple operation (inversion followed by multiplication) implies that infinity is an element of that ring (since rings are stable under multiplication and inversion wrt. multiplication).

As there are several different well-known rings containing infinity, I ask you to clarify which it is, since there is no universal “infinity” element.

Of course, if you instead mean the contrast ratio applied pointwisely to the entire screen, then “Infinite contrast ratio” could mean that the cardinality of that set of pointwise contrast ratios is infinite. This is a bit of a stretch, but as you do not clarify, I include it here. In that case, infinity is not well-defined either, as for example, it can be countable or uncountable. If uncountable, then there are even more possibilities of the actual size of the set (in fact, at least countably many).

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Jon_Irenicus_PL: Rat poison is a bad example, as killing stuff is its purpose.
Why, exactly? You wrote “Have you ever had an OLED and had a burn in?”, to which I answered I did not, as I have not had an OLED screen, but this does not imply the concept of burn-in doesn't exist. To illustrate that you can have knowledge without personal experience, I used an example of rat poison was to illustrate that even though I have not personally eaten it (obviously), I still know that eating it will cause harmful effects. Furthermore, I believe that this statement is true for most people (that they have not eaten rat poison yet know it is harmful if they do), and therefore I believe the example is perfectly cromulent.
Post edited November 02, 2021 by Lillesort131
Oled VS LED it's quite like VHS VS Betamax in the past. :-p
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morolf: I don't care tbh, and don't see why one would unless one's a porn addict.
Of all the things to criticize him, and you pick "porn addict"? You got something to tell us bro lol
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is oled olaf's brother?
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StingingVelvet: [...]That's just bad calibration on your part, or perhaps you dislike proper gamma because you think everything in dark areas should be visible. People used to crap blacks on TN panels tend to think proper gamma is "too dark," in my experience, because they're used to raised blacks making everything too visible.
Give me some tip. I will appreciate it.
There was no professional calibration but I spent a lot of time searching to learn and understand how this display works and what each option do.
I still do not understand what the availability of each option depends on. I know about hidden settings and features.
I've studied many dedicated sites and youtube channels.
I've used the same testing images which I had use for previous TV to calibrate it on my own.

The problem is not "too dark", the problem is that shades even on light surface are just black/semi black, as if diffused and reflected lights doesn't exist.
Gamma is not "proper" when a gray surface in diffused light hurts the eyes and in a little shade it is almost black, as if you had squinted eyes.

Problem is that somebody told you this is correct, it's not. Our eye and light doesn't work like this.

In OLED every scene looks like someone holds something very bright when he stays behind something dark but it doesn't make difference if you look at that bright thing or that dark surface, the image have the same state, bright dazzle you, dark surface has no details, though it should be brighten by diffused light.

TV image should not look like that. Your eye and brain can't defend properly. What next? Simulated viewing welding with the naked eye?

Like I wrote before, I've seen the similar problem with new LCDs trying to get more contrast feeling. Old quality LCD displays before "contrast war" doesn't have this issue.

Maybe the problem is that I've never used for longer time any crappy LCD display. I have always prioritized a wide range of contrast, brightness and saturation settings, not for highest but lowest level. With this OLED too but I did't know how far "higher contrast" marketing war went and wide range of settings doesn't allow to change it in OLED (I don't have knowlage about new LCDs)

Please, keep in mind that I'm not good at english.
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StingingVelvet: [...]That's just bad calibration on your part, or perhaps you dislike proper gamma because you think everything in dark areas should be visible. People used to crap blacks on TN panels tend to think proper gamma is "too dark," in my experience, because they're used to raised blacks making everything too visible.
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topolla: Give me some tip. I will appreciate it.
There was no professional calibration but I spent a lot of time searching to learn and understand how this display works and what each option do.
I still do not understand what the availability of each option depends on. I know about hidden settings and features.
I've studied many dedicated sites and youtube channels.
I've used the same testing images which I had use for previous TV to calibrate it on my own.

The problem is not "too dark", the problem is that shades even on light surface are just black/semi black, as if diffused and reflected lights doesn't exist.
Gamma is not "proper" when a gray surface in diffused light hurts the eyes and in a little shade it is almost black, as if you had squinted eyes.

Problem is that somebody told you this is correct, it's not. Our eye and light doesn't work like this.

In OLED every scene looks like someone holds something very bright when he stays behind something dark but it doesn't make difference if you look at that bright thing or that dark surface, the image have the same state, bright dazzle you, dark surface has no details, though it should be brighten by diffused light.

TV image should not look like that. Your eye and brain can't defend properly. What next? Simulated viewing welding with the naked eye?

Like I wrote before, I've seen the similar problem with new LCDs trying to get more contrast feeling. Old quality LCD displays before "contrast war" doesn't have this issue.

Maybe the problem is that I've never used for longer time any crappy LCD display. I have always prioritized a wide range of contrast, brightness and saturation settings, not for highest but lowest level. With this OLED too but I did't know how far "higher contrast" marketing war went and wide range of settings doesn't allow to change it in OLED (I don't have knowlage about new LCDs)

Please, keep in mind that I'm not good at english.
hmm i have similar problem , everything with shade is just too dark , imho this is a colorpalate problem and probably the game devs didnt set it properly or something
Similar issue with different sources. I think the worst are none-HDR netflix movies but it's simplification only, too much to write.
Post edited November 02, 2021 by topolla