This is absolutely a thing. When viewing stuff on a MacBook for example, I have to crank the brightness way up to see the same things I see on a TN display, that has minimal brightness. Like a video of a dark game on Youtube. To see stuff in the dark that I can just see on a TN display, the brightness for everything else has to be eye-searingly high. The monitors are calibrated to only ever show everything correctly at extremely high brightness levels. This is not just an OLED issue, but also happens on IPS panels.

On TN displays, changing the brightness has little to no effect on what you see, unless you start touching gamma and contrast. Honestly prefer that over the alternatives. My TN display is barely at 25% of its max brightness and that is just on the border of where my eyes are actually comfortable looking at the screen for prolonged periods of time.

And another note, while most consider them obsolete, TN displays are also still improving. The only terrible thing about them is the gamma shift, but if you are sitting properly, it's not that much of an issue. Although I'd say that the max feasible size for a TN display is 27 inches. My daily driver for several years now has been "Lenovo Legion Y27gq-25", a TN display I paid ~$900 for and it's the best monitor I've ever used. There is a massive difference between a good and bad TN display.

I don't know how it looks like on IPS panels because I have always chosen quality PVA displays.

I agree that there is a massive difference between a bad and good TN display but I'm not sure if it is possible to buy new one that is good.

I've used a lot of them over the years and the Lenovo is the one I'd call good, great even. I was genuinely surprised with how good it looks. But yeah, the price for quality is always steep. I've had a 165 Hz Dell before that and it was a markedly noticeable difference for the better.

he is analyzing how "Mini Stallion" can take something that big....
you know for science and stuff

Not really. Not sure how you are high rated.



By your logic, cars are garbage.



Expensive, expensive in upkeep (oil etc.). produce greenhouse gasses, need a driver's license to even be able to legally use them, plus anytime you botch something up, you will be legally responsible. And to top it off, there is a significant likelihood you may get killed or permanently injured.


Does that stop people from buying cars? No. People make a tradeoff. They accept a chance of dying, being permanently injured, or killing somebody and getting jailed, plus the cost of purchasing and maintaining the vehicle. They accept it because driving a car has an obvious advantage over commuting by public transportation, riding a bicycle, or walking on foot. That is, convenience, efficiency, ease of trasporting larger numbers/amounts of people and items, etc.


Now, OLED vs LCD. With OLED, you are making only one tradeoff, and that is the risk of burn in. Aside from that, you are getting a superior response time and input lag, perfect Local Dimming (every pixel is a Local Dimming zone), better contrast, perfect black uniformity, etc.

Now, you are not going to get a burn in unless you keep watching Cable, so that's not an issue at all unless you do just that.



People driving cars are making a bigger tradeoff, but we don't call cars trash.

Frankly, I can't really say which I prefer better OLED or LCD (or like Samsung calls their "QLED").

I have a 65" OLED TV (LG) and it is quite good. I guess it can really do pitch black black... but still I was a bit surprised that I didn't get any "WOW!" effect with it, when I watched it the first time instead of my old Philips 42" LCD TV that still works fine to this day (it is the secondary TV in the bedroom now). It was not like switching from VHS movies to DVD movies, or from DVD movies to Bluerays and HDTV. Those were things that did offer a "WOW!"-effect.

Things that I have _read_ are better on OLED:
- the aforementioned "black is really black".
- colors are supposed to be better?
- it has a very good response time (or whatever it is called) so in that sense OLED could be great for video and computer games, no ghosting, no lag etc.

However, since I don't see any big difference in picture quality, and the fact that OLED has the "burn in"-propensity (or technically it should be called "burn out", ie. it is about single pixels losing their brightness over time, and that is why you might see ghost images due to some logo being at the same place for a long time, having burned out those pixels more than other pixels)...

...I actually kinda wish I would have gotten some QLED TV instead. I'd prefer QLED's probable longer lifetime, over OLEDs somewhat better picture quality. I'm now just expecting my OLED TV to become dimmer and dimmer year by year, while even my old Philips TV will remain as bright as ever.

(The only advantage in picture quality I recall QLED to have is that it is brighter, so OLED generally needs darker rooms maybe. I haven't had much of problem with that though with OLED.)

Oh and the OLED TV is very thin, so that might be a big plus for someone who intends to put it on wall... but I personally consider even that as a drawback as it makes the OLED TV feel more fragile when you try to lift it etc. When I was lifting it alone on top of the TV desk, I was actually afraid I might bend the thin screen too much and break it.

Plus, while the screen itself is very thin, there is still a big fat block at the back of the OLED screen, where the power supply, ports etc. are. That kinda makes the thinness of the screen irrelevant.

I guess it is ok if you don't care about the pixels and the screen dimming down over years.

I never had a plasma TV but I recall hearing them having a similar "feature"? I recall lots of plasma TV owners telling how great it is and they don't want to part with their plasma TVs, but that over years the plasma TVs just become dimmer and dimmer.

Porn addicts always want bigger and better screens to view their porn, that's a well-known fact.

As do gamers, as do movie buffs, as do graphic designers/artists, why the sudden fixation on porn?

Because the Internet is for porn

Actually all technologies directly or indirectly will be used for porn...

I think a lot of this is old complaints from the early OLED models that continue to circulate amongst people that don't want to upgrade. Everyone on my movie forums does nothing but praise OLEDs constantly, and phones have used OLEDs for a long time now with no significant burn-in or fading issues within a normal use length scenario.

That said no technology is perfect, of course. However it is IMO an objective fact that OLED offers overall much better picture quality than LCD.

Don't know, naturally I'd prefer what you say is true since I invested quite a bit of money last year to a 65" OLED TV.

That's just what I've read or seen in a couple of articles explaining the benefits and drawbacks of e.g. OLED vs QLED. Maybe the dimming is so slow that the monitor or TV will die sooner to something else, I don't know. So far I haven't had problems with my OLED, I mainly use it to watch common TV shows and movies which don't tend to cause such burn in problems anyway. Sometimes I use it as a monitor for e.g. my Raspberry Pi4, that's currently where I might see some "burn in" (or "burn out") if I get the same static desktop there for hours and hours every day...

Dunno, I guess I'd just prefer longevity for my technology, even if it means a bit worse colors or viewing angle or black is rather grey.

You don't have phone screens lit up for hours non-stop. The displays are just not made for static elements that stay on the screen for hours without change, which games happen to have in abundance (HUDs, minimaps, menus etc.).

I can see them being great for watching shows or movies. I can see the use for color precision work and editing. But long gaming sessions is simply not a good use case for them until these issues are solved. Unless you want a health bar from one game following you into another that is.

QLED is just a variation of LCD (LED). Samsung's marketing machine seems to fool a lot of people (not looking at you, quotee ;-)

Yet people who actually use them for gaming say this isn't a problem, so... dunno what to tell ya. OLEDs have improved. Also phones absolutely do have some constant icons and such when my wife stares at hers for 2 hours.

Back to the original question, what is it OLED is supposed to be saving us from? Can't really be a savior if nothing is threatening our lives.