So, I'm over 100 posts behind, and I'm not going to have time today to catch up. I'll see what i can work in later.

Oh good, there's a relatively recent unofficial votecount by Micro in 297. I'm going to assume it is correct. At this stage, I see no reason not to go through with a Dogmaus lynch.

Did Yog indicate why he voted me? Hopefully yes. I look forward to seeing why.

Where are the Pooka and GR votes?

Yes, at the expense of others. And your wish that others may have fun too sounds very hypocritical after you have been told that you spoil the fun for at least two players. For one even to the point of quitting. And yet you persist, with the argument "Oh, but I am having fun!" - so it's only your fun that counts for you? That is neither scummy nor towny nor anything else motivated out of any game alignment. That is pure selfishness.


Perhaps you can take your own 'advice' that you gave to ZFR: take a break. Take a step back from the game and then (an added advice from me) read your own posts, imagining that they came from someone else. Then you will see how aggressive they are and how you keep making snide remarks even after it was clear that you spoil the fun for others and after you have been repeatedly asked to stop. Can you do that? Are you able to judge yourself like you judge others? And are you able to respect the boundaries of others, after they made them clear? Or at the very least try to be civil for the rest of the game.


What is the point of posting such a list if it isn't even in order? You are basically stating that you suspect everyone but yourself an the mod. That is a very empty statement.

lo I hope you are playing this. It's the absolute opposite.
How I am anti-game? Have I brocken a rule? AFAIK there are only two anti-game players
You, who botched the whole game and its restart by talking about your previous role
and ZFR who threatens to quit.

I don't believe you. Anyone want to guess why?

ahah LOL because you are scum and are counter-claiming my role just as I had predicted ahah

bump

Catte, sorry if this is anti-climatic, but I have read your desciption about sharks, and I love sharks! What is that touching sharks things about? Do you dive?

But...why?

Just as I was about to question the merits of voting out of the blue, I remembered, yogs made a series of ISOs earlier in the thread. This one in particular:

Probably explains his current position. Still, what the heck, you could have just referenced it. A link would've done wonders.


@dogmaus this is exactly what I talked about earlier. The argument over Lift's role wasn't productive and wasted time that could've been spent chasing after mafioso reactions, leading to a yes, as Lift put it aptly, an anti-town play.

It's good that we moved on from Lift, thankfully, but then we rolled over to you and ZFR. It's honestly demotivating to see the tensions and remarks just keep on going, even after several players told you to stop, even after the mod told you to stop. I want to play a game of Mafia, as do the others, but it's a hard when there's a very real fight going around. This just transcends the boundaries of the game, it isn't anti-town or anti-scum or anti-anything of the sorts, it's just...anti-game. No sportsmanship at all.

Please. Just let these disputes go. Just like ZFR has moved on, so should you. We'll all have a better and more fun game this way, and even have a better time forgiving and leaving this incident in the past. I know you can do it.

/whew

Can't speak for GR, but I'm happy with voting nobody at the moment. I will cast my vote when I find someone scummy enough or we're quickly approaching End of Day.

Hmm, interesting. First role in the reset game, psychoanalyst. No feelings about this role. Lessee the list, lessee lessee lessee... Hmmm. But what's even more interesting is, catte is calling her role BS. Could the two of them have the same role? But if there's more than one psychoanalyst, that would be bizzare.

Then again, this is Bizzaro Mafia. What am I gonna win by out guessing the mod?

Incidentally one of the few Vtubers I watched and whom I like is a shark. Yes, Gawr Gura.

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Well, yogs wrote in #229 that he didn't like your post #144 (the mechanics explanation) and he accused you of role fishing. I guess he meant your request for Dogmaus to claim.

Though I don't know what is so bad about explaining game balance to a new player or about asking a player, who is nearing the lynch zone, whether they want to claim. The latter is basically a standard question around here. But then again, asking that question at L-2 already might be seen as a bit early by someone who doesn't see L-2 as the new L-1.

GR is always reluctant with votes on D1. Even though I wish he would commit a bit more. @GR: how about it? Do you finally suspicion strong enough to place your vote?

Pooka might not vote because of being torn between bussing and saving the buddy on the top lynch spot... who knows. I already mentioned that I see a connection between them. But to know more, we need a flip.


Yes, you 'shrewdly' prepared the ground by predicting that there would be a counter-claim. Even though more often than not there is none. Especially when Town players claim, Scum usually doesn't risk a counter claim. Especially not early in the game. Because a false counter claim would inevitably lead to the lynch of the counter-claimer and a 1 for 1 trade is good for Town.

So, how did you know that there would be a counter claim? Why were you so sure that this rare event would happen? ... Easy, because you knew you would make a false claim. And you knew from the previous game that the Psychoanalyst role is in the game, because it is a good assumption that Joe just re-distributed the roles and/or alignments and did no bigger changes to the setup.

So, your conviction that there would be a counter-claim tells us that your claim is most probably false. Even if Catte would not have called you out, doubting your claim.

In conclusion: I'm not moving my vote away from Dogmaus today. She is very likely scum and aside from that she is connected to several players by now. So her flip will give us the most material to work with. (especially if/when that flip is 'scum')

"Things townies don't say for $100, Alex"

oh wait Alex is dead


"Things townies don't say for $100, Blossom"


When was the last time you were completely innocent and somebody accused you of something and you were like, "oh, that's interesting, please present your evidence"

innocent man be like WHAT THE <QUACK> YOU TALKIN ABOUT, ARE YOU ON <QUACK>ING DRUGS?

guily man be like, I see, tell me more, let me see if you have hard evidence before I decide how to respond

I been doing this a long time, people

and I know Book specifically

Bookwyrm scummin lol

Or, as I pointed out, Dogmaus could be lying. That wouldn't be bizarre at all. Why are you so sure of her Towniness that you didn't even consider the possibility of a false claim in your musings about the claim? Why is you first thought about catte calling her out: 'Could they have the same role?' and not 'Is one of them lying?'. This is a game of deception (on one side) after all!

(@OP: No votes in this post)
(but one maybe coming up soonish)
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Why would it be the "model answer"? Just because one(anyone) says they have the same role as before doesn't make them town, whether they are telling the truth about such or not.....so it's not exactly a "get out of suspicion free card", and because of that fact(plus a general gut feeling) I don't think scum(or at least not the entire team) will/would be too likely to flock to using such a tactic.

Maybe they cannot do so easily(like with me and cutting back on "fluff posting" and etc)?

Not really up for a nolynch this time, unless it's somehow a(proven) advantage for town, that is.

If we do lynch today(D1): i'd vote for them to avoid a nolynch, but I am more willing to vote for near anyone else at this point

(edit: might vote for one of them, due to a post I just saw when skimming the rest of the posts I didn't read)

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To all-Important

Whoop whoop whoop.... I think I FOUND A SCUM!

I will post what I mean and proof in a bit, so stay tuned

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Yes, that's precisely why it's bizzare. Just didn't know how to process it at the time I read her post. Either we have two psychoanalysts or one of them is lying. I'm not into out guessing the mod, but I don't think having two investigative roles like this is nice for either side.

But now I ask, are you sure of catte's townyness yourself? I'm more inclined to believe dogmaus over catte at this point, honestly. So yes, with what I know right now, I'm leaning towards her being the Towny in this conflict.

To ALL: proof of Dogmaus's very likely scumminess below
(@op: A vote is near the bottom of this post as well)
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Wrong! Why? Because I am Psychoanalyst!

I first posted a crumb to this in Post 5, the name Ziggy Pop is a reference to the nickname of the Sigmund Freud character in the first Bill and Ted movie.

I then crumbed again with the song in Post 38....some of the words are "Analyze this" said a few times over and over.

I then got re-rolled and again got Psychoanalyst, so I posted the song in Post 48......subtly trying to state that my role was the same.

I then used the word obsessed in Post 77, another reference/crumb to my role.

Lastly, in Post 251 I posted a clip of Freakazoid.....who is called a LUNATIC.....someone who could likely use the services of a psychoanalyst.

One more thing: one of the reasons why I knew Lift was scum and why I screen-capped his Post 20 is because he claimed the same role I had before the reboot.....when I got the same role yet again after the reboot. well let's just say it made me chuckle/etc to myself a bit.

As such, I am almost certain you are scum(plus I don't think Joe would put TWO of the same role I have in the game) so:

VOTE DOGMAUS

Dogmaus is now at L-1, I believe. Time for them to claim, or for us to fry this turkey and see what comes of it.

Sorry if I am going to format everything very loosely -_-
Please bear with me. Growlll (that was the bear with me). ZFR now you can *facepalm*.

Lift " Well, yogs wrote in #229 that he didn't like your post #144 (the mechanics explanation) and he accused you of role fishing. I guess he meant your request for Dogmaus to claim."

I'm not sure as Bookw request for me to claim is Yog motive, unless he was also thinking both me and ZFR are Town. That's possible as well. I've has suspects on Yog but I have had to spend all my game with Lift and ZFR draining my energies and converging my attention on them, so it was hard for me to see other's players' game tbh.

I have run in my head different combinations, taking for good that the scum number is 2, of ZFR, Lift and Yog scum duos. Now I am very scared of Catte's weird claim.

Lift " Though I don't know what is so bad about explaining game balance to a new player or about asking a player, who is nearing the lynch zone, whether they want to claim."
Ok.

" GR is always reluctant with votes on D1. Even though I wish he would commit a bit more. @GR: how about it? Do you finally suspicion strong enough to place your vote?"
He's keeping us on our toes, and Catte is too. This is going to be fun.


"Pooka might not vote because of being torn between bussing and saving the buddy on the top lynch spot... who knows. I already mentioned that I see a connection between them. But to know more, we need a flip."
We're all buddies here! I don't have a connection with Pooka beyond the mafia games. Pooka was mastering my first mafia game.


"Yes, you 'shrewdly' prepared the ground by predicting that there would be a counter-claim."
you are reading too much intomy words. Also there has not been any counterclaim to the point I've read for now.


"So, how did you know that there would be a counter claim? Why were you so sure that this rare event would happen?"
There has not been a counter-claim. If there will be one, I was predicting right. If so please Town vote Catte! I find weird that there are just two psuchoanalists. I said it because I thought that was your intent in accord with ZFR. Make me claim lying about me being at L1 and the number of people asking for me to claim and then one of you scum counter-claims. Then you took me to L1 and I claimed. If scum counterclaims my claim it's your fault.




Pooka " The argument over Lift's role wasn't productive and wasted time that could've been spent chasing after mafioso reactions"
I've made every attempt to move on but Lift and ZFR strategy was precisely to obsess me and everyone else about it.