Let us flesh that out a little bit more. In that game you got obsessed with Carradice being scum. Also you did not get a couple of jokes and kept saying that Carradice’s posts were horrifying and creepy (or something to the same effect). Sure. Humour, not your strongest trait. You mixed up the qualities of being scum with the qualities of being someone “evil” and pegged that on this humble player. All while this Carradice was very vocal (actually, the only one defending you IIRC) about trying to avoid Flocke being mercilessly lynched by aggressive scum, who herded people under their guidance. You were avenged on the following night and day. I was playing a straight town play and keeping things simple. Yet you kept writing in the observer’s thread, against all evidence that I was not only scum, but [insert bad moral qualities here]. Eventually I was proved Town by the Cop. Eventually I got a NK. When I entered the observer’s thread, you stopped posting. After the game I tried to reach out to you via PM and you never replied.

So, no big surprise that you are tagging me with all kinds of bad moral qualities, plus being scum as a bonus. Despite having always played for the team. Even consciously drawing a NK for the team in #64. That is OK Par for the course, Some people will always be impervious to all kind of evidence. I can live with it. There is nothing else that I can do if you seem to hate my guts so much (out of your whim and your own representation of this little mafia world). Get on the queue to vote for me in this game, you are not being original.

Heidi had a little goat in her flock. Little, beautiful, sporting white fur. Its name was, are you ready? Snowflake.

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Carradice: scummy, as discussed before. His explantions lessen the scumminess somewhat, but still --- would vote
@Carradice: yes, maybe this is a misunderstanding. Especially since I am one of those who prefer to be scum. But that doesn’t change the fact that not reading your PM is bad play.

SMFR – not much content. Content with commenting on non-game stuff or ‘I’m not sure how I feel about this posts’. Yes, I know he had some RL-reason to be absent for a while. But even before that there’s not much of use. --- would vote.

Flocke – re-appeared just in time to evade a lurk-prod-vote.
@Flocke: replying to your questions: yes, early LAMIST jokes are less bad than jokingly claiming scum. A false scum claim is a lie = bad play for someone who is Town. An early town claim is either a true statement by some town, or a lie by some scum. Which basically is in their job description.
Your second question: my chances of ‘being found out’ in this game are zero. Unless you aren’t talking about alignment but about my role. I won’t tell you whether there is anything to be found out in that respect.

Joe – on second reading, mostly his usual D1-self. So I really don’t have any reason to keep voting him.

unvote Joe

dedo – feels rather towny

trent – neutral to somewhat towny

ZFR – feels somehow off. We had some interaction. I don’t have anything concrete, but there’s a feeling that something is wrong. Maybe it’s just the avatar. But maybe not. But wouldn’t want to vote now without something more concrete.

Gogtrial – Town. He said so, after all. … no, seriosly. What he wrote so far seems sensible. Leaning town. (but then again, as he pointed out, he has a knack for being read as solid Town even when he is scum)

micro – there isn’t an awful lot to analyze yet. Neutral so far, but I would like to see more!

Vitek - mostly jokes and questions. Could be either faction. Neutral so far. But please contribute some reads of your own, Vitek!

Scene – being himself. But I get the feeling that this is rather Town-Scene than Scum-Scene. So, leaning slightly Town so far.

Gamesloth/YogRager – well, Yogs just subbed in, so it’s no wonder he didn’t contribute much yet. GR, however, was himself. Neutral for now. Let’s give yogs some time to catch up and come up with a reason for voting Vitek.

I know, I know it is bad play. But, in a particular situation, taking measured risks, being careful as to not harm anyone, you know what they say, “try anything once”. Sometimes it is worth it. I did learn from this. Hopefully others too (or not).

It doesn't change that it was an Anti-Game™ thing to do. I don't really consider it as defensible as you do, but at least you're not doing it any more. I think I've run out of things to say about it.

Unfortunately I don't feel like I have anything to say about anything else. I think I'm going to try and get an early night tonight so you might not hear from me again until tomorrow.

LOL at TM.

Rest well and get better. Your posts lighten the atmosphere, no matter if there is a reprimand in them or not.

It's the same role, so if you think GameRager was scummy, that carries over to Yogsloth. Of course if Yogsloth claims cop and busts two of the mafia then survives a night with no night kill and a doctor pipes up claiming to have protected him it wouldn't be right to say "yeahhhh but GameRager though...."


yeah, if time's running out and we're faffing around that close to the deadline it might be different, but until then it's best (and hopefully we should avoid that sort of stress-inducing last-moment play.)

I want to carry on being irritated but you made me smile so :p


:p

the post appears edited? what happened?

In any case, even it some discussion on things can help making the conversation more lively, I think that right now SPF’s take is the sanest one: There is not much more to say about the issue than has not been already said, at least on my part. This has received much attention already. To the point of becoming a distraction from actual scumhunting.

So, if anyone holds doubts, I will refer them to my previous posts. Try to be original, hunt scum, do something. Else this little mischief (1) might be acting like a smoke bomb for scum to hide behind. Do not let it be so.







(1) Not to be repeated! (2)




(2) I cannot promise not to make a joke of it in future games, for Lift’s and Trent’s delight. (3)




(3) Look at the bright side of it: at least it is not a joke about being scum.

Is this normal? I'm feeling quite different to my usual games, I think

1. When I first saw your vote my initial thought was “who the heck is that?”, and then when I realized it was a joke since that person was just for flavor I didn’t give it much thought since it was still RVS. It for sure was not something that deserved a vote.

2. Anyone subbing in has to live with the ramifications of the actions of who they subbed in for. They deserve some latitude in having the chance to post and let people draw their own conclusions about them though. Just my opinion

3. If it’s end of Day L-1 changes to leading wagon no matter how many votes it takes to lynch. Anytime before the end of Day L-1 should still be in effect since a majority lynch will end the day.

Lots of stuff to catch up on, and I'm in a bleh mood due to real life. So I'm going to post a ummary of my thoughts (not a reads list, just what I think about what they've been doing since my last post), and leave it at that.

Carradice: I agree the play was unwise and anti-. I don't think we'll gain anything by imprisoning him. Except as I write that, I realize we would get people's strong reactions to his play to analyze, which might be enlightening. But then, when we do ever really analyze anything?

Lift: Not doing anything scummy - but also not really moving the game state forward, y'know?

Joe: I'm glad he at least acknowledged in a sidenote somewhere that I voted for him, because up till then I thought he had completely missed it. I'd expected more. I think that sums up my issue with him this game. I keep expecting things from him which don't appear. Like a read's list.
I feel myself strongly empathizing with the bad mood, though. Hang in there, big bro!
I like the observation just now about himself feeling quite different, in reaction to Lift.

SPF: like a lurky version of Lift, but that's much more what I expect from him D1.

Flocke: Today's contributions I like much better than those from two days ago, which to me felt like lightly warmed up rehashes of things other people had already pointed out. Prodding people, and working on getting somewhere! That's the way to do it; don't rely on others!
@Flocke: I wasn't "trying to hint" at anything. I was expressing toward micro that I was giving him a slight town lean. I think you might've read it as shading him in a statistically unsound way? If so, that's on you.

scene: I think he's moved to second tranche, where his reaction to Carradice did a lot of that. Also the only one who asked why I was voting Joe, which I indeed did not give any clear reasoning for.
@scene: Lack of his trademark reads list, two things which might be rolefishing (the "mason chat" thing and "can you guarantee it?" toward me), and his dedo vote.

Vitek: I really liked him yesterday, for the way he was chasing up responses, but today feels less strong.

dedo: seems involved in quite a lot of action, but it's also very ... localized? Did anyone notice how swiftly after my #257 he posted #258? I'm probably still primed from looking back at #59, but was triggered a little bit on how he echoed my yogs/GR positioning, and how closely his reads mirrored mine, excepting ZFR and Lift. Could he be attempting to steer likely wagons? If dedo ever flips scum, ZFR and Lift could use some extra attention.

trent: Like a forceful version of Lift? His town- and scum- play are really impossible to tell apart on D1.

ZFR: not completely missing, but might as well have been.

micro, yogs: AWOL


I hope I'll have more energy tomorrow, as I feel we need some strong pushes in order to get anywhere and not end up with a lazy wagon.

Sorry,, RL issues. Not that I'm busy but I'm just in an off mood because of them.

I still think Carradice is the best lynch. If only to remove the distraction.

dedo is my Towniest read. scene slightly towny, but just barely.
Flocke also barely Townie. Joe and Lift in the "good lynches" category, though not by much.

Rest more or less neutral. I'd like to hear more from Micro, Vitek and yogs.

I actually thought? Can you remember where that was and remind me as I don't remember myself?

You can and should still consider the original owner of the slot but GR's participation's importance is probably going to decrease with time. Obviously you won't be able to blame something GR said or did on Yog but that doesn't mean you should erase GR's existence entirely from your mind.


If I'm not mistaken you were still unaware of the contents of your PM at the time where you decided I'm a terrible villain. You voted me and are still doing so. That means you were willing to throw me under the bus if I was actually your scumbuddy. And let's be honest - there is no turning back now. From your perspective nothing should have changed between us as now you know for a fact we are not scum together.

As I said I didn't see you scummy as you yourself didn't know what you were so technically I can't hold you responsible for your actions as up until post 280ish they allegedly weren't backed by alignment goals. All the time till now is wasted and any read which can be formed about you can only be reliable after whichever that post was. Which is unfortunate.


Sorry, I still don't get it. SPF was doing the same when he was Town before so because of that you now feel he is scum? Or maybe because you feel he is scum that should mean he is actually Town since your read in that situation was wrong last time? Still confused.


Would you like me to make sure anything we say differs a lot more and, maybe, I should always wait a bit longer before posting after you post?

By the time of posting this (which was sitting in my browser for one full episode of Lucifer and then I had to add to it) there are about 13 minutes of difference between our posts. Oops.

I'm sorry, in #312 my first quote got messed up and got assigned to scene while it was originally Flocke's and my response is directed at them.

You said you'll vote toDay?

i'm still on page 4 (of 7), barely read through 198. please be patient and i will try to catch up