Posted June 25, 2019
flubbucket
"Intoning"
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Bookwyrm627
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Posted June 25, 2019
JoeSapphire: How did you feel when you saw GameRager's flip? I'm assuming an initial wave of "wow Joe was right he's so cool" followed by...?
"Guess he was telling the truth. Just as well to have him out of the way, so scum can't use him." I'd like to hear Scene's answer to my question.
I also would like to see people vote.
Also,
Bookwyrm627
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Posted June 25, 2019
Also also, apparently Pooka's meteoric rise caused Trent to stumble, since he fell below me in your revised scum chart.
Also also also, one would think I'd have learned not to leave the cursor on the "Post Message" button while I'm typing on a keyboard subject to palm mouse clicks.
Who do you think that is?
Also also also, one would think I'd have learned not to leave the cursor on the "Post Message" button while I'm typing on a keyboard subject to palm mouse clicks.
Who do you think that is?
PookaMustard
モニカ。モニカだけ。
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Posted June 25, 2019
Right, I keep forgetting things.
----
I forgot what else to respond to...
If I could vote scene and micro at once, I would. But it's probably a coin toss at this moment. Micro has a vote and scene has a vote. Voting either brings them to L-3...but we've brought scene close to L-2 before and learned more about him from then. Micro is still a bit of unknown territory and to be honest, I don't like his play at the moment, for reasons I mentioned earlier
Also, unfinished sentence.
trentonlf: I know my activity this game has not been the best and I apologize, but it will not get any better over the next few days. My oldest daughter Grace who just finished the chemo a couple of months ago will be getting married on Sunday so I will be pretty busy until then. Going to be a great weekend :-D
Sorry I was this late, but congratulations to the both of you! Hope she leads a fruitful life! ----
I forgot what else to respond to...
If I could vote scene and micro at once, I would. But it's probably a coin toss at this moment. Micro has a vote and scene has a vote. Voting either brings them to L-3...but we've brought scene close to L-2 before and learned more about him from then. Micro is still a bit of unknown territory and to be honest, I don't like his play at the moment, for reasons I mentioned earlier
Also, unfinished sentence.
JoeSapphire: AHA I found it. It was Pooka's alarm that supplementscene's wagon grew to 5 strong in a short space of time early Day 1.
You remember? And then he warned blotunga off it, and blotunga stepped back and then we all lunched blotunga and it turned out blotunga was town and Joe was wrong? And then SirP and Carr got shot. Ah those were simpler times...
Well, and I was the only one to see that blotunga's play seemed more town!blotunga-like than scene's shenanigans...You remember? And then he warned blotunga off it, and blotunga stepped back and then we all lunched blotunga and it turned out blotunga was town and Joe was wrong? And then SirP and Carr got shot. Ah those were simpler times...
PookaMustard
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Posted June 25, 2019
Bookwyrm627: Also also, apparently Pooka's meteoric rise caused Trent to stumble, since he fell below me in your revised scum chart.
If I could table in GOG, I would. Old Joe's Town Meter:
MOST TOWNY
^
Gogtrial
SupplementScene
Bookwyrm
Trent
Dedo
Microfish
Flub
Pooka
v
LEAST TOWNY
New Joe's Town Meter:
MOST TOWNY
^
Gogtrial
SupplementScene
Dedo
Pooka
Bookwyrm
Trent
Microfish
Flub
v
LEAST TOWNY
Okay, it appears that trent dropped because dedo and I rised up the ranks. Joe says dedo raised up because "he'll trust dedo's read." I assume he's referring to this post by dedo.
JoeSapphire: Bookwyrm, Dedo, Trent - in the last game we played it got mentioned a few times that Bookwyrm's scum game is quite obvious and easily recognisable to Yogsloth and dedo among others.
dedoporno: Saying it's obvious and easily recognizable is an overstatement and underestimation of Wyrm so I will take offense for him. JoeSapphire: I've been assuming that tearing out of the woodwork thirsting for town roleblocker's blood is something that mafiesque bookwyrm wouldn't do. Is that the case?
dedoporno: I'm pretty sure scum!wyrm would do it if he believes he has to. I still hold a grudge against him and the naive Town players of one particular game (it wasn't the exact same situation but his boldness and other people's sheepness (most notably zeogold, if I remember correctly)) has left a permanent mark on me. That being said, I'm still pretty sure he's Town.
JOESAPPHIRE!!1!!!! EXPLAIN THIS MESS!!1!!!1
Bookwyrm627: Also also also, one would think I'd have learned not to leave the cursor on the "Post Message" button while I'm typing on a keyboard subject to palm mouse clicks.
Learn to do that more. Also, hang on a sec.
dedoporno: (it wasn't the exact same situation but his boldness and other people's sheepness (most notably zeogold, if I remember correctly)) has left a permanent mark on me.
[i]zeogold? sheepness? Did I walk into the wrong universe?[/i]
flubbucket
"Intoning"
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gogtrial34987
Grog'tial | half-dwarf, dual-bolt crossbow
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From Netherlands
Posted June 25, 2019
*looks in*
Yay for town doing way more damage to ourselves than mafia is capable of. The day frustrates, but the results of these nights amuse me!
Going to be catching up now.
FYI: Real life is making me be much less present than I'd prefer to be. Keeping a close eye to see how bad it gets (nothing truly bad irl - just a lot of it to deal with); I really hope I can avoid having to ask for a replacement.
Yay for town doing way more damage to ourselves than mafia is capable of. The day frustrates, but the results of these nights amuse me!
Going to be catching up now.
FYI: Real life is making me be much less present than I'd prefer to be. Keeping a close eye to see how bad it gets (nothing truly bad irl - just a lot of it to deal with); I really hope I can avoid having to ask for a replacement.
trentonlf
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dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
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From Bulgaria
Posted June 25, 2019
I'm here. I'm catching up quickly and then I'll share what I was considering in the past couple of days.
gogtrial34987
Grog'tial | half-dwarf, dual-bolt crossbow
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From Netherlands
Posted June 25, 2019
Catching up from way back when:
Quote for reference:
Still, "I'd like to think that" isn't exactly the strong town read which I interpreted your "don't want to vote" as. Is that just a matter of me not correctly interpreting your meaning (quite possible!), or were you deliberately trying to keep your reads vague so you could claim them either way as the game progresses? (Something for us all to ponder.)
Combined with two instances of you not wanting to repeat yourself...
Still, insofar as you genuinely feel that I'm unfairly accusing you of something that is a direct cause of joining late, I did not think I was doing so, and you have my apologies.
Unvote: JoeSapphire
Vote: GameRager I see your reasoning as faulty. Flub uses your reasoning to re-vote GR. Did flub not (want to?) see where it was faulty?
Something to check up on: Does flub always trim his quotes quite so strongly?
*g* When I first joined mafia, bler's performance in Oakwood was my inspiration, which I tried to emulate somewhat. Glad to hear that I've arrived. :)
You said in #688 that you would "look at [your] vote again" if someone could direct you to it (which happened), but never showed up anymore before EoD.
Given your reread, could you do a most-to-least scummy list from your PoV?
dedoporno: I told Joe himself that I prefer to consider him as Town when he asked if I think his lynch would be a mislynch when GR was ready to vote for him. He felt different before when he was scum.
Ah, that is true, and I'd missed that as a "read" (despite noticing it from Joe's PoV due to it being the source of his trust for you). Quote for reference:
Still, "I'd like to think that" isn't exactly the strong town read which I interpreted your "don't want to vote" as. Is that just a matter of me not correctly interpreting your meaning (quite possible!), or were you deliberately trying to keep your reads vague so you could claim them either way as the game progresses? (Something for us all to ponder.)
Combined with two instances of you not wanting to repeat yourself...
dedoporno: Also, I can't say I appreciate the fact that you are painting my original stance on blotunga as piggybacking just because I wasn't on it first. Do I have to apologize about joining the game almost 3 days after it started and things had already happened?
The "piggybacking" I am thinking I'm seeing is not your "stance on" blotunga in itself, but the way you first expressed reasoning for it way after the fact (#226), by echoing someone else (though the fact that you echoed Joe doesn't work with my suspicion of the two of you being a team). This echoing happened two days after you joined the game. Still, insofar as you genuinely feel that I'm unfairly accusing you of something that is a direct cause of joining late, I did not think I was doing so, and you have my apologies.
gogtrial34987: A town full roleblocker only requires a single B to be rolled out of 7 dice. Vig needs VV, Cop needs CC. The chance for either of those is smaller than the chance for B.
That means that for full roles, doctor (and innocent child) are likeliest, then roleblocker, then cop, then vig.
Btw, did this explanation from me make sense to you? I'm kinda asking because your thinking (expanded in the quote below, as flub only put in the dots) was the cause for flub moving his vote back, but I still see that thinking as wrong: That means that for full roles, doctor (and innocent child) are likeliest, then roleblocker, then cop, then vig.
dedoporno: The Town Roleblocker role has the smallest chance of being drawn in the first place.
.................
If scum is going to claim a full power role the risk of getting counter-claimed by the same full role is the smallest for the blocker.
flubbucket: This really makes the most sense. I'll not bow to pressure. .................
If scum is going to claim a full power role the risk of getting counter-claimed by the same full role is the smallest for the blocker.
Unvote: JoeSapphire
Vote: GameRager
Something to check up on: Does flub always trim his quotes quite so strongly?
Bookwyrm627: Also, have you considered who SPF interacted with in a pro-active manner, as opposed to only a reactive manner? Were there players that SPF addressed only because they addressed him first? That question goes for both this game and the other game.
I didn't pay too much attention to this for the point of speaking to fellow mafia, since I believe(d?) the non-avoidance would go both ways (I deliberately skipped noting it in my original roundup at the start of D2), but yes, I did pay attention to it when re-reading everyone's individual interactions with SPF later on. gogtrial34987: I have this habit of thinking around too many corners when I'm too involved. Need to take a step back and go for the simplest solution.
Bookwyrm627: Hi Bler! Bookwyrm627: Hey Dedo, we've talked a fair bit here on D2. I have a question for you.
Do you have a trap in mind?
Any intent to clarify this? Do you have a trap in mind?
supplementscene: He seems scummy from loads of his posts. He has claimed a role that there's a 95% probability isn't in the game.
I know hindsight is difficult, but would you have voted GR if you'd properly understood that there was a 30% chance that it was in the game? You said in #688 that you would "look at [your] vote again" if someone could direct you to it (which happened), but never showed up anymore before EoD.
JoeSapphire: Well I was all prepared to begin this day by voting without giving any other statement and then when asked to explain my vote just quote bookwyrm telling me blahblahblahblah and that the time for words has ended but if I did that in response to that Dawn then you'd all start thinking that I know more than I do about it.
Any thoughts on flub seemingly concluding the opposite of what you appear to be claiming here? supplementscene: Why has Joe's wagon grown so fast? I was clearly in favour of it yesterday and it seems convenient 2 players have jumped on it today with discussing my speculation. Interestingly the 2 players who are on this wagon also came into hammer our Roleblocker. I know I did 2 and that's hypocritical because I believe Town should be responsible enough to hammer but why did they only come in at the end? I will go back and re-read.
I like the question you start with. Given your reread, could you do a most-to-least scummy list from your PoV?
Lifthrasil
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dedoporno
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dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
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Posted June 26, 2019
gogtrial34987: Still, "I'd like to think that" isn't exactly the strong town read which I interpreted your "don't want to vote" as. Is that just a matter of me not correctly interpreting your meaning (quite possible!), or were you deliberately trying to keep your reads vague so you could claim them either way as the game progresses? (Something for us all to ponder.)
In earlier days when there isn't too much to work with you (or I at least) have to make a rougher ranges of people who feel better or worse for whatever reasons. In some cases some of the people on the positive list are more positive than others on it. Generally I wouldn't want to vote for the whole list but for some people I wouldn't want to vote at all. The same applies logic applies the other way around too. There are people I have on the positive list which I wouldn't want to vote but in case I really must (like early days no-lynch) I would.
In all instances I can't be certain about anyone other than myself or based on my own personal information so I can't be put concrete trust on anyone.
You are not incorrect to question it but I doubt you'll find anyone who would say "I know that he is Town" or "I know that he is scum" with certainty without having exclusive knowledge on the matter. Well, maybe there is one such instance but that was obviously a false positive so yeah.
gogtrial34987: Btw, did this explanation from me make sense to you? I'm kinda asking because your thinking (expanded in the quote below, as flub only put in the dots) was the cause for flub moving his vote back, but I still see that thinking as wrong:
It did and this is indeed my fault - you were correct that I was misunderstanding the mechanics. I was going off memory and I was under the wrong impression that all roles alternate in the same way starting from a full role and needing another full role to question a fake claim. That's why I had the Roleblocker as the safest fake claim. gogtrial34987: The "piggybacking" I am thinking I'm seeing is not your "stance on" blotunga in itself, but the way you first expressed reasoning for it way after the fact (#226), by echoing someone else (though the fact that you echoed Joe doesn't work with my suspicion of the two of you being a team). This echoing happened two days after you joined the game.
Still, insofar as you genuinely feel that I'm unfairly accusing you of something that is a direct cause of joining late, I did not think I was doing so, and you have my apologies.
Well, I not sure what else to say here. Is it that hard to believe that someone can arrive to similar conclusions on a topic as another person? If it is then it so be it. Still, insofar as you genuinely feel that I'm unfairly accusing you of something that is a direct cause of joining late, I did not think I was doing so, and you have my apologies.
I probably didn't understand correctly what you were referring to, so there is no need to apologize.
Is this a question for me? Even if it isn't I'm only going to say that he may have seen things in the same way I did. So I can't blame him for that alone. What is more noteworthy is that this seemed to be enough and as I said before I didn't even mean it to be some massive condemning clue - it was just a small point to make note of.
ZFR
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flubbucket
"Intoning"
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