Fascinating.

Both were/are bad choices.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_59_previously_on_mafia/post885]Joe's "bah" post.

I see no benefit.

Scum knows exactly if there is only a 1-shot vig, or if there are other PRs as well, but in that case not who holds those PRs
If there aren't, then everyone else is VT; no-brainer for scum.
If there are, then VT claims will point out the PRs for scum.

Also:
@everyone: do NOT put anyone at L-2 until everything's been talked about! Scum knows if a quickhammer is safe to perform, and can win the game with it. We need unanimity on our lynch as town to win, or at least the likelihood thereof for a scum to join us on a correct lynch.


I was waiting to see who else noticed the strangeness of microfish's reaction. Not yet certain what to think about the way dedo and flub reacted. But first:
Please clarify extensively what you were thinking here, including but not limited to:
- How could trent pushing for flub be "tied to investigations"?
- Which "him" (trent or flub?) are you asking about with the RB question?
- Are you thinking of town-RB or mafia-RB?

Now, do I reveal my breadcrumb, or let others find it? They are purposely fairly obscure.

Don't be coy.

Show us your tits!

SNAP!

Thanks Micro!

Micro has to be the 1-shot! Flub slipped :D


@Flub, you should know for a fact that there isn't a full Vig in the same way you know there are only Vanillas left (well, technically one isn't Vanilla but is Vanillized now).

By now this was obvious to everyone but Micro (both scum and non-Micro Townies).

Based on the latest publicly available knowledge we knew that we either started with 4 or 6 power roles.

Scene actually helped me here! His flip showed me that we were in case 1 as I'm also VT.

Both Doctors and the Roleblocker got killed and we know that there is a Vig. Every Town other than the Vig is Vanilla making. The Vig is obviously 1-shot.

If Flub was the 1-shot Vig he should have claimed it but he decided to play games and wiggle around it. So he either is scum trying add to the confusion or Vanilla.

But if he was Vanilla he would have known the setup doesn't include full Vig, only a 1-shot Vig who is now also Vanilla.

The whole point about Vanillas claiming made no-sense either as it would have served no purpose to the Town other than the Vig also realizing what the setup is.


vote flub

Heh, the one time I don't refresh before posting after walking away for a few minutes, and things change massively.

Please still walk us through what you were thinking, step-by-step.

Before I share what I think about this:
Any counterclaims?

What benefit do you think there could be to not revealing them?
I can imagine waiting a little bit for a counterclaim before revealing them, though. On the other hand, posting them immediately means you'd have had less time to "find" something, so we're more likely to believe them (depending on their exact obscurity).

Bump in case of need.

I was thinking that Trent was iffy on flub, D1, but by D3 was ded-set on Flub and no longer on Scene (who he suspected D1); thus, I thought Trent investigated Scene N1, dropped opposition to Scene, and N2 investigated Flub, who he saw as scum (thus he tunneled on Flub D3). (Is it tunneling if you are right? or only if you are wrong? ) (I can provide quotes from trent later, dinner awaits now).
Joe predicted so many flips correctly, that I figured he had used his 1-shot on at least one of these he was "confident" about.

2) ok.
3) Fun for others if they hunt? They are purposely obscure, so I wouldn't be NKd, but I know exactly where they are.

I so, so, so wished I had waited for Dedo's theory before claiming; he posted whilst I was typing, and I didn't refresh in time. :(

Thanks.

Huh?

How would a VT have known there is no full vig in the setup?
As far as I can tell, only mafia can have this knowledge.

Oh.
Do I reveal your flawed thinking to you? Again?
What does it mean that you make this mistake twice?

Meh, I'll just let you respond to this, and see how much we all believe it.

PR DICE ROLLS. Not PRs! For some PRs, you need two dice rolls to only get one PR.
We could be in DDBVTTT, which is Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig.
But we could also be in DDBV??T, which is Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + ??
Options could be:

DDBVDDT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig + doctor)
DDBVVBT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + full vig + 1-shot roleblocker)
DDBVBBT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig + full roleblocker)
DDBVVVT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig + full vig)

Have I told you lately how much I enjoy playing this game with you??


However, you give me too much credit for knowing what's going on. Vanilla town = me.

Unvote: Microfish_1

My choice is Bookwyrm627 because the Day has been open for over 10 hours and he's not shown up yet.

Vote: Bookwyrm627

Vote Count

(if you yadda yadda yadda, please yadda yadda yadda)

flub 1 - dedo
Bookwyrm 1 - flub

6 players. 4 to lynch.

It means I'm a tired fool and should taken this half an hour to think this through and not get over-excited I actually cracked this by myself.

unvote flub for now.

Vote Count

(if you yadda yadda yadda, please yadda yadda yadda)

Bookwyrm 1 - flub

6 players. 4 to lynch.

That gogtrial34987 is wearing the smarty pants huh??

And I'm wearing the dumb pants. What I wrote is completely and utterly wrong.