Imagine how I feel wearing the NO pants.


That's right. Cool and breezy.

Doing a quick post on mobile. I'm a little tired and deserve a good night's sleep.

So Microfish. You said you left breadcrumbs behind. Please point us to them. As far as anyone is concerned, you used your lone vig shot, so now you're just as good as Vanilla Town. And whether it's TTT or T, the scum have other targets (everyone if TTT, the unknown power roles if T), so point us to them while you still can. We need all that information out in the open with little wriggle room.

As for gogtrial and dedo, I agree with gogtrial that a one sot vig can't know if there's full ones or not, short of multiple kills. I wonder what's going on here.

I am concerned about bookwyrm not showing up at all in the past few hours, but it could be real life running its usual courses here.

I should definitely do the ISO on flub I mentioned the previous Day, either tomorrow or the day after. And post the results and highlights too.

Claimed and verified roles thus far:

Town 1-shot doc
Town doc
Town RB

SK
Mafia goon
2- verified VT

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2-claimed VT and 1 claimed one-shot vigilante.

That's 10 of 13.

Correct??

Correct (although I've made mistakes in the past so get a 3rd opinion).

Correct.
If scum is fully among the claims, there's three people left for the potential real vig and/or potential further PRs.
If only one scum is among the claims, from their PoV there will be only two people left for the potential real vig and/or potential further PRs.
If neither scum is among the claims, then if there's a further PR, they'll know exactly who that is (but not what).

Minor correction on that second statement: only mafia, and a potential full roleblocker or doctor can have that knowledge.

To both of you: did you read and understand what I wrote in #903 at the moment of claiming? If so, did you disagree, or what was your reason for claiming anyway?

yes...ish

Moar claiming = moar information.

Or
DDBVCCT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig + cop)
DDBVCBT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig + 1-shot roleblocker + 1-shot cop)
DDBVMMT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig + mason + mason)
Which shows two possible six power roles cases as still possible.

So I thought I understood how you were wrong here, but it doesn't actually add up.
You claimed vt, and because of that and scene's vt flip, you thought you had certainty that we were in case 1 (4 power roles instead of 6), and that any vt should realize this.
But from your perspective, you still see flub, gogtrial, pooka, bookwyrm as unknown at that point. Two mafia, two PRs should still be possible.

Acknowleding that you've already stated that what you wrote was "completely and utterly wrong", please walk us through what you were thinking exactly to arrive at said wrong conclusion?

And for completeness sake, a missing 8th configuration.
If we're in ??, then the possibilities for those two dice rolls are:
MM, but not 1 M (no innocent child announced)
DD, but not 1 D (with DDD, there'd be two full doctors, not the certain 1-shot doctor)
BB, or BC, or BV
CC, or CV
VV

So the total list:
DDBVDDT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig + doctor)
DDBVBBT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig + full roleblocker)
DDBVVVT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig + full vig)
DDBVCCT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig + full cop)
DDBVCBT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig + 1-shot roleblocker + 1-shot cop)
DDBVMMT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + 1-shot vig + mason + mason)
DDBVVBT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + full vig + 1-shot roleblocker)
DDBVVCT (Doctor + 1-shot Doctor + roleblocker + full vig + 1-shot cop)

I was weird and obscure because i didn't want to claim the 1-shot vig UNTIL a few others told the vig to speak up.
I think I answered 1) already -- I temporarily confused Doc & Cop; I should learn better than to post when falling asleep
2) See answer to 1) I think at the time, I was asking about Trent? Sadly, I'm not sure anymore. or maybe I meant if a T!RB blocked Flub, as THAT WOULD EXPLAIN, PERHAPS, A D2 NO-NK (unless Trent or Joe protected).

To be honest, I wouldn't know who to shoot at this point either.

Are these two possibilities in play if Microfish_1 is lying about his claim??

At the time I looked at the letters as roles again and based on all the role evidence so far including my own and I assumed the TTTBDDV setup.

As in:

T = Vanilla Townie (myself)
T = Vanilla Townie (Blotunga)
B = Full Roleblocker (GR)
T = Vanilla Townie (Scene)
D = Full Doctor (Trent)
D = 1-Shot Doctor (Joe)
V = 1-Shot Vig (at the moment I wasn't sure who that was but Micro posted moments before I did so I just accepted his claim on the spot)

Therefore every other Town was supposed to be Vanilla as well.

It was completely and utterly wrong is it was wrong not on one but two different accounts:

1) I considered the letters as roles
2) I saw the 2 flipped Vanillas + myself as the 3 Ts in the supposed setup neglecting the fact that some of us may be the filler Vanillas and we aren't enough to nail it down.

Flub's line about Vanillas claiming instead of the killer Vig and Flub's accusation/vote on Micro about the investigation made me jump (I didn't even consider the more concerning aspect that vanillas claiming would expose PRs as I didn't think there are any PRs left to expose). If I'm not mistaken on this as well the scum should by now know the actual setup. Flub turning things on the Vanillas felt like a LAMIST statement which purpose was to let us know he wasn't aware of what was going even though he should have been as either scum or Vanilla Town (based on the original assumption that everyone remaining is VT). Micro was obviously mistaken talking about investigations as it made no sense in the context he spoke of it (Doctor) and Flub just voted him on it. That and the fact that I was already looking for damning evidence on Flub based on #778.

So, I jumped to the wrong conclusions without thinking twice and when Flub didn't provide a straight answer along with Micro's claim I just thought I had him dead to rights.

It was a very long week and yesterday was just as tiring (although it was the good kind as I took my family out for the day and it was lovely) and everything I read and wrote happened in such a short period of time that things just clicked too easy in a wrong way that made sense from a particular angle.

This clouded my thinking as well.

He pisses me off all the time.





**21 hours into the Day and still no Joe (Bookwyrm627).

That's concerning beyond the state of the game. Wyrm isn't one to hide for the sake of the game. I hope he's alright.


How can Micro be lying about it if no-one else counter-claims the kill?

Just made an ISO on flubbucket, and I have to say...

My gut tells me.... that flub is a major WIFOM. Let's do a quick summary of his posts.

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If he isn't humoring here, then he pretty much claimed to be a vanilla town. There is nothing hinting if it's a joke or real...well, until post 339 happens, with scene responding to the above quote.

One may think flub picked up on a scene scumtell with the "know" thing. But this response strikes me as odd. I'm not sure why.

Next up...
I'm genuinely interested in this contradicting claim. It also looks like the Jack the Ripper claim in that it appears like a joke, but here flub claims he's cop and doctor. What's the big idea?

Now for...
He now claims to be Buffalo Bill instead of Jack the Ripper.

Eventually...
I notice immediately that town doctor trent has given us two possible suspects for scumteam: flub, and "possibly" dedo. Just quickly looked at D2's final vote count, and flub and dedo are the 2nd and 3rd votes respectively on GameRager's wagon.

HMMM...interesting. BOTH DOCTORS were on flub's wagon. What's the chance this could be a coincidence? That's quite a finding to be honest. I'd love to have more input on what this means. I know doctors protect others from nightkills and don't investigate, but how it could be?

But then to be fair, the only night that went without a kill was N2, and the prior night saw the death of SERIALKILLER-agentcarr16 and MAFIA-SirPrimalform. Is it more of a trent and Joe thing than two doctors agreeing on one person?

And on D3 (after the nightkilless N2), trent continues to be flub's wagon by EOD but Joe goes for Bookwyrm. Something interesting is going on here.

Oh, flub. I was distracted by Joe and trent, right.

Why would you make a better night kill? I'm really curious about this.

Hmmm, why that is? Joe flipped and he was Town. Or let's take a page from your flub's book and ask. Hopefully my impression of him is accurate.
How do you NOT "feel secure" regarding their towniness??

Interesting question to think about. The closest answer I got is that you're relying on WIFOM, so the audacity would make sense. This reliance on WIFOM is also why I can't make sense of your early day role claims.

I'm still not sure whether the WIFOM shown in this post swings in scum's favor or in town's favor, which is something else I need input on. But there is something interesting about how both doctors were on his wagon D2, and trent (full doctor) continued being on his wagon D3, which should be studied.

What do you guys think of this? What of you, gogtrial?