Posted December 21, 2014
CSPVG
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trentonlf
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Posted December 21, 2014
dedoporno
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From Bulgaria
Posted December 21, 2014
Sage103082: Why did you choose Twilight to visit?
@Robb - What was your plan to play your role? Would you have claimed if Hijack had not hinting about knowing about the visit?
Thank you for following up on my questions, Sage! I, also, would like to see them answered. @Robb - What was your plan to play your role? Would you have claimed if Hijack had not hinting about knowing about the visit?
Care to elaborate (the fix, of course, is mine)?
Lifthrasil
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Posted December 21, 2014
CSPVG: P. S. One cannot quite put one's finger on it, but Darko strikes me as somehow off this game. Does anyone else get a scummy vibe from him?
No. Darko strikes me as somehow dead in this game... trentonlf: Robb's claim only came after Hijack hinted he knew what happened with TB and it makes it seem as if Robb was covering himself in hopes of buying some time before he is lynched. I think a more town idea would have been to do the risky play listed in the advice and hint at a power role that would make the scum come after him and die when they did. Now we have to waste a lynch at some point and we're not even sure if it will show a flip on him.
Exactly my thinking. Robb's claim came only after he already knew that HijacK investigated him at night. So it was a good way for scum to avoid being lynched (and further investigated by cops) right away. HijacK: Honestly, I did not imagine a PGO initially and was not expecting him to claim. In my mind, Flub's hint must have had some significance given the fact we don't know how we can trigger a flip or not, so I was thinking that TB visited scum, while incidentally being NK'd.
And your suspicion may have been exactly true. Only that Robb countered your announcement that you followed TB by claiming PGO. Add to these observation following statement:
Robbeasy: Yes - I will admit first night there was more chance hitting a town power role than a Mafia one. There still probably is for quite a few nights, Which is why I came out and claimed. I've already said I couldn't resist it first night - it wasn't ideal Town play, and for that I apologise, but it's hard when you get a power role to play with..;)
Robb admits that he was fully aware that his chances of hitting a town power role were bigger than his chance of hitting mafia. Yet he still went through with it. This was very much anti-town play. Sure, he apologized after being called out on it, but what scum wouldn't? "Sorry I killed one of your power roles... but I couldn't resist the temptation." As I said, definitely anti-town. Either by very bad play or intentionally because he's scum. I believe the latter: scum, who is hiding behind a conveniently fitting PGO claim.
Yes, his claim opened him for policy lynch at some point. But he knew he was going to be a probable target anyhow after HijacK announced he had nightly observations to share. And he knew that we would hesitate to do the policy lynch right away - and that he wouldn't be investigated by our cop(s) after his claim. So it's a perfect play for time to have a few more nights to do damage to town.
So all in all: I believe that Robbeasy is scum, hiding behind his PGO claim and therefore I
vote Robbeasy
JMich
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Posted December 21, 2014
Lifthrasil: Robb's claim only came after Hijack hinted he knew what happened with TB and it makes it seem as if Robb was covering himself in hopes of buying some time before he is lynched. I think a more town idea would have been to do the risky play listed in the advice and hint at a power role that would make the scum come after him and die when they did. Now we have to waste a lynch at some point and we're not even sure if it will show a flip on him.
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And your suspicion may have been exactly true. Only that Robb countered your announcement that you followed TB by claiming PGO.
Quick question, what role could Hijack have that PGO would be explained? If HijacK was a tracker going after TB, he couldn't say what scum targeted TB. If he was a watcher watching TB, he would have seen that Robbeasy targeted TB, not that TB targeted Rob. If he was a tracker following Rob, PGO would have already killed him. snip
And your suspicion may have been exactly true. Only that Robb countered your announcement that you followed TB by claiming PGO.
So, what role would HijacK have that a PGO claim would work?
Robbeasy
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JMich
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Posted December 21, 2014
Robbeasy: @Jmich - if Twilight visited me, Hijack as a Watcher would see him do that, would he not? I assume Twilight visited me as part of some sort of targetting - HijacK would see that targetting, not my retaliation?? I think the role of Watcher covers HijacK nicely.
Doubt it. Watching someone tells you who visited him, tracking someone tells you who he visited.trentonlf
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Posted December 21, 2014
Robbeasy: OK - more questions to answer - I will do my best...
@Trentonlf - I did indeed look up the role on mafiascum - wouldn't you if you had it? It was that page that convinced me for sure that my safest play was to claim. And you are also correct, its where I got the wording 'policy lynch'. How does reading it up on the mafia wiki make me any more likely to be scum?
I was not saying the fact you looked it up on mafiascum.net made you more likely to be scum. It seemed that once Hijack said he knew why TB was killed it made you go look up a role on mafiascum.net that would prevent anyone from targeting you. As I pointed out the advice portion on mafiascum.net and your claim were almost the same. When making the claim you made it seem as if the reasonings were your idea to gain town points. @Trentonlf - I did indeed look up the role on mafiascum - wouldn't you if you had it? It was that page that convinced me for sure that my safest play was to claim. And you are also correct, its where I got the wording 'policy lynch'. How does reading it up on the mafia wiki make me any more likely to be scum?
If you had linked the role with your claim and said you believed the reasonings shown in the advice portion was best it would have given your claim more credence instead of you trying to make it seem as if it was your idea.
Lifthrasil
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Posted December 21, 2014
Robbeasy: @Lifthrasil - really?? I would claim PGO and then be investigated? Only if there were suicidal cops!
Exactly. Which is why your PGO claim protects you from being investigated. Which makes it a good claim for someone who is actually scum. Especially because:
you were, as you realized yourself, going to be a favourite lynch-candidate anyhow. So your PGO claim didn't endanger you further, but it was a possible way to live a few nights longer while even being safe from town investigation.
JMich
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Posted December 21, 2014
Lifthrasil: Especially because:
Wait, what? Robbeasy: If HijacK had confirmed Twilight visited me, I would be under massive suspicion anyway - and favourite for lynch.
Lifthrasil: you were, as you realized yourself, going to be a favourite lynch-candidate anyhow. So your PGO claim didn't endanger you further, but it was a possible way to live a few nights longer while even being safe from town investigation. Example to see if I understand your reasoning.
Cop investigates Doctor.
Tracker follows Cop.
Scum Night Kills Cop.
Tracker says cop visited Doctor.
Doctor is next to lynch, because the Cop visited him before he died.
Is that your reasoning? More or less same question I asked in post 1445. What kind of role would allow HijacK to know that TB died due to who he visited?
dedoporno
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Posted December 21, 2014
Uhm, why do we need to focus on HijacK's role? I strongly doubt this may be in our best interest right now. Let's be gentlemanly about it and keep it aside, mkay? Thanks!
@Robbeasy, thanks for your answers. If you had to make a list or point a single person if there aren't enough candidates for potential anti-town-ness (wut?!), who would you have in mind?
@Robbeasy, thanks for your answers. If you had to make a list or point a single person if there aren't enough candidates for potential anti-town-ness (wut?!), who would you have in mind?
JMich
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Posted December 21, 2014
dedoporno: Uhm, why do we need to focus on HijacK's role? I strongly doubt this may be in our best interest right now. Let's be gentlemanly about it and keep it aside, mkay? Thanks!
If Robbeasy made a false claim because a true claim from HijacK would out Robb as a scum killer, what would HijacK's claim be? I can't think of a role that can follow someone and prove he was killed due to who he visited, nor a role that can visit a PGO and survive. So, what role could HijacK have that would make Robb false claim PGO?
I don't care about HijacK's role, just wondering the line of reasoning that says Robb false claims due to Hijack's claim.
dedoporno
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Posted December 21, 2014
JMich: If Robbeasy made a false claim because a true claim from HijacK would out Robb as a scum killer, what would HijacK's claim be?
I can't think of a role that can follow someone and prove he was killed due to who he visited, nor a role that can visit a PGO and survive. So, what role could HijacK have that would make Robb false claim PGO?
I don't care about HijacK's role, just wondering the line of reasoning that says Robb false claims due to Hijack's claim.
You may not care, but other surely do. Maybe a lot. I can think of a scenario that fits pretty good, you should be able to, as well. I only ask you and the others to do so on your own and leave that discussion for later. No need to feed the scum anymore information right now.I can't think of a role that can follow someone and prove he was killed due to who he visited, nor a role that can visit a PGO and survive. So, what role could HijacK have that would make Robb false claim PGO?
I don't care about HijacK's role, just wondering the line of reasoning that says Robb false claims due to Hijack's claim.
trentonlf
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Posted December 21, 2014
JMich: If Robbeasy made a false claim because a true claim from HijacK would out Robb as a scum killer, what would HijacK's claim be?
I can't think of a role that can follow someone and prove he was killed due to who he visited, nor a role that can visit a PGO and survive. So, what role could HijacK have that would make Robb false claim PGO?
I don't care about HijacK's role, just wondering the line of reasoning that says Robb false claims due to Hijack's claim.
This is why I asked Hijack in post 1427 who he was using his role ability on, but he did not answer.I can't think of a role that can follow someone and prove he was killed due to who he visited, nor a role that can visit a PGO and survive. So, what role could HijacK have that would make Robb false claim PGO?
I don't care about HijacK's role, just wondering the line of reasoning that says Robb false claims due to Hijack's claim.
JMich
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Posted December 21, 2014
Would love to hear about it later, since I can't think of any. If HijacK has a role that targeted Robb, the PGO claim cannot work. If HijacK has a role that targeted TB, I can't think of any that tells him he died because he visited Robb, though there are quite a few that would reveal he died because Robb visited him, which isn't something a PGO can do.
Unless you mean both HijacK and Robb are scum, and their role doesn't matter in the slightest.
Unless you mean both HijacK and Robb are scum, and their role doesn't matter in the slightest.