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my name is coole catte: It does rather seem like you're painting a target on your back by bringing it up. Unless you've got scum right now it seems premature. But I'll wait and see where you're going with this.
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nmillar: I don't know for sure that I have, but I've certainly got enough to make a false claim very difficult.
Ooh! Great work, now when they false claim you'll be able to catch them by surprise with your information and they'll be totally unprePARED FOR IT BECAUSE NO-ONE WARNED THEM THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS POSSIBLE
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JoeSapphire: Ooh! Great work, now when they false claim you'll be able to catch them by surprise with your information and they'll be totally unprePARED FOR IT BECAUSE NO-ONE WARNED THEM THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS POSSIBLE
I very much enjoy that you start shouting halfway through the word "unprepared".
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nmillar: I don't know for sure that I have, but I've certainly got enough to make a false claim very difficult.
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JoeSapphire: Ooh! Great work, now when they false claim you'll be able to catch them by surprise with your information and they'll be totally unprePARED FOR IT BECAUSE NO-ONE WARNED THEM THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS POSSIBLE
They can only prepare for it if they know what my role is.

As I've already gone all-in, i will cast my vote on the person I visited last night.

Vote Vitek.
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nmillar: They can only prepare for it if they know what my role is.

As I've already gone all-in, i will cast my vote on the person I visited last night.

Vote Vitek.
I figured it might be Vitek based on your posts today. Well, I was probably going to vote him soon anyway based on my own interactions, but I'll hold off for now. Without going into details, do you have a reasonable reason to suspect that Vitek was up to no good last night?
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nmillar: They can only prepare for it if they know what my role is.

As I've already gone all-in, i will cast my vote on the person I visited last night.

Vote Vitek.
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my name is coole catte: I figured it might be Vitek based on your posts today. Well, I was probably going to vote him soon anyway based on my own interactions, but I'll hold off for now. Without going into details, do you have a reasonable reason to suspect that Vitek was up to no good last night?
We're in a role madness setup, so it's likely that everyone was out and about during the night. I have crumbed my role a few times already, which I'll reference should my suspicions be correct.

If I'm wrong, then I'll likely have to reveal my role anyway, but that doesn't necessarily make it completely useless.
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nmillar: We're in a role madness setup, so it's likely that everyone was out and about during the night.
That's exactly why I asked. That he was doing something is not reason enough to suspect him by itself... you'd need a reason to think he was specifically up to something nefarious.

I'll add my vote for additional pressure and wait for Vitek's response.

Unvote nobody
Vote Vitek
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nmillar: We're in a role madness setup, so it's likely that everyone was out and about during the night.
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my name is coole catte: That's exactly why I asked. That he was doing something is not reason enough to suspect him by itself... you'd need a reason to think he was specifically up to something nefarious.

I'll add my vote for additional pressure and wait for Vitek's response.

Unvote nobody
Vote Vitek
You're aware that puts him at L-1?

Unvote Vitek

My vote is still there consider yourself at L-1, accidental hammer, yadda yadda yadda
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ZFR: You're aware that puts him at L-1?

Unvote Vitek

My vote is still there consider yourself at L-1, accidental hammer, yadda yadda yadda
Oof, I forgot the game didn't start with many players. I was thinking it was L-2.

Still, I think me placing my vote and pulling yours (while leaving it symbolically) is more effective pressure than me just saying "I'd vote for you if it didn't put you at L-1".
I am curious myself as I did absolutely nothing at night.
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Vitek: I am curious myself as I did absolutely nothing at night.
So why weren't you in your room?
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nmillar: So why weren't you in your room?
I don't have active role, I couldn't go anywhere if I wanted to.

My only explanation is that you are lying.
Vote nmillar.


Hmm, this hints at ugly option of 3 mafia and possible win Today as going all out like this makes it worth to you.
Or redirection but considered how I felt about you so far I am going to go with the more direct option.
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Vitek: I don't have active role, I couldn't go anywhere if I wanted to.

My only explanation is that you are lying.
Vote nmillar.


Hmm, this hints at ugly option of 3 mafia and possible win Today as going all out like this makes it worth to you.
Or redirection but considered how I felt about you so far I am going to go with the more direct option.
Hmmm. Intriguing.


Since you've already mentioned it there's no need to hold back, a redirector struck me as a possibility too. Now would certainly be the time for someone to let us know if that's what happened. I don't think Trent would have put a team of 3 mafia into a game with only 10 players, 30% is overpowered no matter what roles the town (with the exception of some weird roles, which might be the case).

Can anyone account for the contradiction between nmillar and Vitek's accounts of last night?
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my name is coole catte: Since you've already mentioned it there's no need to hold back, a redirector struck me as a possibility too.
It struck me as an explanation of why Pooka was killed some time after I made my post. But didn't want to bring it up so as not to give Mafia ideas.
(And right after I've written this post it occured to me that that was stupid of me, because if they shot X and Pooka died instead, redirecting would be the first thing they'd consider).

Anyway this:
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my name is coole catte: Can anyone account for the contradiction between nmillar and Vitek's accounts of last night?
No, from me.

And I'm practically sure trent wouldn't make 7 vs 3. 7 vs 2 vs 1; yes. But 3-team Mafia is more bastard than a hidden Lover team. MYLO on D2 is a huge nono.
It's so unlikely I'm wondering why would Vitek bring it up.
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ZFR: And I'm practically sure trent wouldn't make 7 vs 3. 7 vs 2 vs 1; yes. But 3-team Mafia is more bastard than a hidden Lover team. MYLO on D2 is a huge nono.
It's so unlikely I'm wondering why would Vitek bring it up.
That's my thinking too. M2 + SK + T7 is much more balanced and likely than M3 + T7. As you say, it just makes the game ridiculously short because of the numbers and there's very little the town could have to balance it out. I can think of one or two things but there's no point in going into details now.

It really does feel like a reach for Vitek to bring it up, particularly to put it as more likely than a redirector (which isn't a particularly crazy idea in a role madness game).
Because other than redirection there is not much expalantion for me why would nmillar claim this.
And this came first on my mind.


Why did you choose me in the first place, nmillar?


I am backup role. I suppose I could say what role it is and they could admit they exist but that would be up to them to consider if they find it worth it.
Nwm, it's gunsmith.