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Okay, you say I should vote okay. I am not getting coached, I could be theoreticly be a neutral role because again I mostly here fore argumenting and I am now argumenting that with your attitute we should kill anyone you seem like you want to stir up a mob that goes after the single most sign of what could be instead of could analyzing what could be a tell. So for me:
VOTE Bookwyrm
Mayby there will be a double post now because I swear I wrote and sent a post and the system shows there should be something but there is nothing so mayby the system eat it accedentaly. Anyway there are two things I want to say, first no I am not waiting for night get couched, from my playattitude I could be neutral too because I am just here for training to argue.
Second yes I am confused because I have problems understanding people emotions some times and failing to understand some errors if not in detail explained or happen to me too.
I am just waiting and observing until it seems there to be some contradictions and hoping mayby to find out unusual behaviour. I fail to see how voting for someone for vote alone would do something. I learned from playing the last round and in MtG Arena Red and Blue decks, how agressive bring something good. From what I saw and experienced it only brings demise to the good ones. And from this point of view Bookwyrm you seem like you just want to stir up a mob to make moves like in speedchees so they fail to see what moves they made until it is too late. Luckily this is not chess so I do not need to think many moves ahead but your encourage for lynchjystiz warrent from my point of view further investigation so:
VOTE Bookwyrm
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Korotan: Mayby there will be a double post now because I swear I wrote and sent a post and the system shows there should be something but there is nothing so mayby the system eat it accedentaly.
I see both your posts, it must be only weird for you. Is this the 'new page bug'?
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JoeSapphire: hm... it seemed like you were suggesting it might indicate he was mafia, but okay.
If he is Mafia he basically gets a free pass for a convenient RL reason (I'm not questioning the actual reason). If he is Town he can't participate and support us which is also damaging but in a different way.


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JoeSapphire: "Yogsloth: I vote flub
flub: don't vote me I want to live!
Yogsloth: okay then... "
That bit made me raise eyebrows. The yogsloth I know isn't that easily swayed even less so by flub doing it, but then again I haven't played with him since forever so I don't know if that haven't changed. Also, I'm not too sure how RVS that whole thing was in the first place. Either way, I can't see this as some attempt at distancing. If it is it's half-assed at best and unless some double bluff I wouldn't think either of them would do something this weak. yog won't at least :P

TL;DR - based on this interaction alone I wouldn't think they are scum together.

Yog does weird me out though, not sure why. The "look at mee" bit is probably the most yog think he did Today, though.

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JoeSapphire: For attention of everyone Does anybody else fancy doing a "I think the mafia is 1, 2, (3)"? They might be enlightening
At this point it would be a bit easier for me to do it the other way around.

I don't think Pooka (@Pooka, I'm still waiting to hear about that development, though!), Micro, after pre-post refresh Korotan (his last post took me a few readings but after I figured out what he was saying I actually liked it) are scum. That leaves me with as the more likely mafiosos:

ZFR - I want to hear more from him, I'm not the biggest fan of his work so far but that may be because he's on the road

blotunga - I got a slight impression of him trying to make friends with me when he switched vote to flub. I'm not that kind of girl so I didn't like it.

Flub - I'm still trying to understand where he's getting his newfound energy from. I feel like I don't even know who that person is anymore.

Joesapphire - You're lucky I'm of the minority that doesn't religiously live by the rule of "Town should never ever lie so LAL!!". It look like you're trying but I'm not yet sure if it isn't too hard and if it's not for the sake of appearances.

yogsloth - At the current state of thing he wouldn't be my first choice but I'd lynch him (Imagine I did a Bronn impression on this one).

Bookwyrm - Least favorite option, as a matter of fact I considered having him in the townier section but he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt so reserve lynch option.
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JoeSapphire: I see both your posts, it must be only weird for you. Is this the 'new page bug'?
Possibly.

I like how you're distancing yourself from flub. Are you sure you're not scumteam with flub?
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JoeSapphire: My 'template' is that a 12 player game has 3 mafias, a 9 player game has 2 mafias. 10 is closer to 2, also with the possibility of killing powers in the game, it makes more sense to have the smaller amount of mafia. If I was running this set up I'd have two.
If I'm right, mafia make roughly 25% of players. 25% of 10 is 2.5; just as close to 3 as 2.

In the last game, had mafia ended with 1 player and myself alive, they'dhave been in an unwinnable situation due to me being able to self protect. I know such a scenario is not possible in this game due to Doctor's limitation, but still with the doctor and roleblock on town side, a single mafia will be facing a tough battle, making me wonder if 2xmafia is really all that balanced.

For a fleeting moment when Pooka and you went "There are 2 mafioso" it made me wonder if you had an ulterior reason to make us all think that's a given.

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JoeSapphire: For attention of everyone Does anybody else fancy doing a "I think the mafia is 1, 2, (3)"? They might be enlightening
.

Wait, wait wait. you do realize what a "bragging rights" mafia lust is? I dont "think" the three players I mentioned in my list are all mafia. I thought this was something the two of us have been doing in the couple of last games more for the lulz, and not any serious accusations.
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dedoporno: Joesapphire - You're lucky I'm of the minority that doesn't religiously live by the rule of "Town should never ever lie so LAL!!". It look like you're trying but I'm not yet sure if it isn't too hard and if it's not for the sake of appearances.
Why am I lucky you don't believe in Lynch All Liars? What did I say?


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blotunga: I like how you're distancing yourself from flub. Are you sure you're not scumteam with flub?
No, flub's not my scumbuddy it's- HEYWAYTAMINNIT

What do you mean by distancing?


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ZFR: For a fleeting moment when Pooka and you went "There are 2 mafioso" it made me wonder if you had an ulterior reason to make us all think that's a given.
OH yeah it's not a good idea to assume there's only 2, better to assume there's 3, you're right.

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JoeSapphire: For attention of everyone Does anybody else fancy doing a "I think the mafia is 1, 2, (3)"? They might be enlightening
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ZFR: .

Wait, wait wait. you do realize what a "bragging rights" mafia lust is? I dont "think" the three players I mentioned in my list are all mafia. I thought this was something the two of us have been doing in the couple of last games more for the lulz, and not any serious accusations.
I do know, that's why I wrote three different people to the Dedo/Micro team that my money's on.
I know what mafia lust is too. lolololol
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dedoporno: Do we really want to get on about roles and names even more? Come on...

If this is correct should Wyrm's vote be still on Yog as Wyrm never unvoted Yog in the first place?
*sigh* You are correct, It seems I can't count votes properly. I know bookwyrm even tried to point it out to me and I missed it on three more recounts.

Prettiest Princess Award:

One Vote For:
Flubbucket (blotunga)
ZFR (Microfish)
Korotan (ZFR)
JoeSapphire (flubbucket)

Two votes for:
bookwyrm (Korotan, yogsloth)

Three votes for:
yogsloth (PookaMustard,JoeSapphire, bookwyrm)

Closest to winning the contest with 3 votes is yogsloth, it takes 6 votes to win the contest.

Currently not voting:dedoporno
Post edited May 13, 2019 by trentonlf
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JoeSapphire: Why am I lucky you don't believe in Lynch All Liars? What did I say?
That was tongue-in-cheek, really.

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JoeSapphire: 9 - Joe. I'd lynch him.
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JoeSapphire: Would not vote: Pooka. Joe. (I lied before)
The second part of my bit related to you was the more relevant one.
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dedoporno: Korotan (his last post took me a few readings but after I figured out what he was saying I actually liked it) are scum.
Why?

To be honest it reinforced my vibe of a newbie caught in an unfamiliar situation. When found out non voting is "bad" he quickly changed it to a vote. Again like someone just trying to quickly finish through day1 and get help at night.

Yes, granted he could be neutral, but him bringing it up immediately so quickly doesn't help. "Hey, Im in an unfamiliar zone, but I could be a neutral!" reminds me of scene's "Hey Im a cop, but I could be insane" last game.

What is it about his post that you liked.
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JoeSapphire: Why am I lucky you don't believe in Lynch All Liars? What did I say?
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dedoporno: That was tongue-in-cheek, really.

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JoeSapphire: Would not vote: Pooka. Joe. (I lied before)
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dedoporno: The second part of my bit related to you was the more relevant one.
Ha, oh yeah I forgot. I'm hilarious ;p



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trentonlf: Three votes for:
yogsloth (PookaMustard,JoeSapphire, )

Closest to winning the contest with 3 votes is yogsloth, it takes 6 votes to win the contest.
bookwyrm's votes are a bit slippery aren't they?
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trentonlf: Your vote in Post 98 does not count as you did not Unovte anyone, so your vote is still on Korotan
So a general unvote is not sufficient? Good to know.

Whatever. Time to unambiguously fix my vote.
Unvote Korotan
Unvote Yogsloth
Unvote WhoeverTheHeckImVoting

Looks like Flub has voted. Yay. I'll vote somewhere else.
Dedo is the only one who hasn't voted.
Vote Dedo

I don't even feel bad about this one.

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dedoporno: Additionally, how can you be so sure that all townies have good guy names?
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dedoporno: Do we really want to get on about roles and names even more? Come on...
Um.

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JoeSapphire: I'm still reading bookwyrm with vaguely good vibes, but I'm losing faith in my instinct.
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unvote bookwyrm
No offense meant, but I'm going to assume that you don't actually listen to yourself talk.

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Korotan: Okay, you say I should vote okay.
Voting is good. Voting is life.
Voting is putting your money where your mouth is, instead of being able to hide behind words words words blahblahblaghblahglbhalgalval.

Very good.

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Korotan: Mayby there will be a double post now because I swear I wrote and sent a post and the system shows there should be something but there is nothing so mayby the system eat it accedentaly.
You have officially encountered the New Page Bug. Welcome to GOG. :)

If your post seemed to be eaten, then check whether it might be the start of a new page. Sometimes you can't see a new page if there is only one post on it. Wait 11 minutes and then make a quick blurb post to check.

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ZFR: If I'm right, mafia make roughly 25% of players. 25% of 10 is 2.5; just as close to 3 as 2.
3 mafia means game could end (barring role intervention) on N2.

Make it 2 mafia and maybe let them talk during role selection. Boom, slightly more power without town only getting 1 mislynch (barring role intervention).

Therefore, it is only 2 mafia. Quid pro quo, ipso facto, proof done. Lets move on.
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ZFR: To be honest it reinforced my vibe of a newbie caught in an unfamiliar situation. When found out non voting is "bad" he quickly changed it to a vote.
He was told that it's bad and he did something about it. That isn't AI in any way. Being a newbie (even though it's his second game) he acted based on advice that was giving by other players.

What I like about Korotan's post is the reason for his actual vote (his dislike of voting joining the biggest wagon just becasue rather than fidning/looking for a good reason to do so). This, again in the context of a new player, reads Town to me. Or at least Townier than others.

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Bookwyrm627: Um.
Is this a try to cast shade? I hope not, but if it is it's pretty weak. My question (which was also rhetorical but never mind that) towards Micro who already said what he said was perfectly safe in that context.


Still not voting until I see what else (if anything) ZFR has to say. Also, Pooka. If they take longer though I'll have to do it after work.
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JoeSapphire: I'm still reading bookwyrm with vaguely good vibes, but I'm losing faith in my instinct.
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unvote bookwyrm
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Bookwyrm627: No offense meant, but I'm going to assume that you don't actually listen to yourself talk.
Oh good lord of course not!
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Bookwyrm627: Um.
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dedoporno: Is this a try to cast shade? I hope not, but if it is it's pretty weak. My question (which was also rhetorical but never mind that) towards Micro who already said what he said was perfectly safe in that context.
It is highlighting an observation.

I believe I've already indicated that I'm not a fan of talking about flavor names for this game, and I've linked why I think such talk is pointless. I think the regulars could already figure it out, but I'll state an additional reason for the newbies: such talk could be used as cover by scum to appear busy without actually doing anything. Lets not give them the chance.

So when you first ask a question related to names (granted, somewhat tangentially), then later comment to the effect of "why are we still talking about names?", I raise an eyebrow.

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Bookwyrm627: No offense meant, but I'm going to assume that you don't actually listen to yourself talk.
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JoeSapphire: Oh good lord of course not!
Fair enough. XD