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Impaler26: Jeez, time flies. I thought it would take a bit longer until GOG add Galaxy into all their installers. But they really seem to be hell bent to push their lousy Galaxy client as hard as they can.

With that any reason to buy games here has vanished into thin air for me. Good stuff, now i can concentrate on buying my games at the various other game stores around. :D
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GR00T: Before you pack up for good, do note that as of yet you can still get Galaxy-free installers. They're called 'classic installers' and can be found under the 'MORE' tab on the game page. GOG has indicated they'll provide these 'classic installers' for any games that have Galaxy bundled with the installers.
The thing is GOG should put 'Galaxy installers' under the 'MORE' tab and provide 'classic installers' by default. We already have a big 'Try GOG Galaxy' blue button in each game page.
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Gearmos: The thing is GOG should put 'Galaxy installers' under the 'MORE' tab and provide 'classic installers' by default. We already have a big 'Try GOG Galaxy' blue button in each game page.
Like I said before- right now the installers that include Galaxy are the default alternative to "TRY GALAXY". Because that's logic.
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Gearmos: The thing is GOG should put 'Galaxy installers' under the 'MORE' tab and provide 'classic installers' by default. We already have a big 'Try GOG Galaxy' blue button in each game page.
The rationale behind those Galaxy bundled installer was to makes it easier for new users who don't know they need to download Galaxy separately to have access to auto-update, cloud save, etc... Putting those installers behind an extra menu would kind of defeat this purpose. I do agree that having a account setting to chose which installers are presented by default would be the ideal though.
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Gearmos: The thing is GOG should put 'Galaxy installers' under the 'MORE' tab and provide 'classic installers' by default. We already have a big 'Try GOG Galaxy' blue button in each game page.
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Breja: Like I said before- right now the installers that include Galaxy are the default alternative to "TRY GALAXY". Because that's logic.
And wouldn't it be more logical to not include Galaxy on some installers and simply show "TRY GALAXY" in all game pages? Like it has been said many times, you only need to install Galaxy one time so include it in some installers makes no sense.

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Gearmos: The thing is GOG should put 'Galaxy installers' under the 'MORE' tab and provide 'classic installers' by default. We already have a big 'Try GOG Galaxy' blue button in each game page.
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Gersen: The rationale behind those Galaxy bundled installer was to makes it easier for new users who don't know they need to download Galaxy separately to have access to auto-update, cloud save, etc... Putting those installers behind an extra menu would kind of defeat this purpose. I do agree that having a account setting to chose which installers are presented by default would be the ideal though.
The problem here is that many old users (including me) are not interested in Galaxy at all, and there was no Galaxy in the installers when we bought the (DRM-Free) games. I understand the fact that GOG wants to 'show' Galaxy to new users, but (like you said) they also should give old users the option to not show it at all. I would love to have that account setting.
Post edited July 11, 2017 by Gearmos
The writing on the wall has been there for a while, the direction GOG is heading in. My long-term trust regarding DRM-free standalone installers being available is gone. So I have backed up my whole library over the last couple of days (quite a chore, and more so because of this deceptive default showing of Galaxy-infested versions). Thank god I don't own half of the catalog on here; those with a huge library I don't envy when it comes to backing up all "classic" installers, before those might possibly vanish in the future.
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chevkoch: those with a huge library I don't envy when it comes to backing up all "classic" installers, before those might possibly vanish in the future.
If you use either Galaxy and the downloader, both download the classic installers and you don't have to click for each files individually making it a lot easier and faster..
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GR00T: Before you pack up for good, do note that as of yet you can still get Galaxy-free installers. They're called 'classic installers' and can be found under the 'MORE' tab on the game page. GOG has indicated they'll provide these 'classic installers' for any games that have Galaxy bundled with the installers.
GOG could say whatever they want to say.
I just do not trust them anymore.
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chevkoch: those with a huge library I don't envy when it comes to backing up all "classic" installers, before those might possibly vanish in the future.
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Gersen: If you use either Galaxy and the downloader, both download the classic installers and you don't have to click for each files individually making it a lot easier and faster..
Well, it should be clear from what I was saying that I do not want to install Galaxy. Also, the downloader does not work on my XP machine.
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kbnrylaec: GOG could say whatever they want to say.
I just do not trust them anymore.
Hey, I'm not defending GOG, just providing information. I personally feel it's only a matter of time before the classic installers are either not provided at all, or if they are, they'll eventually just not be updated.
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tinyE: Seriously, look at this:

http://imgur.com/a/iymLq

I went in and changed it to without Galaxy, I had to take care of something in the house so I logged off for two minutes, and when I came back THIS was what I got.

It's not excruciating work to go in and change it every time, but it's also a bullshit tactic by GOG. They have tech people there that could fix this and make "without" the default, but they won't. I think they enjoy shitting on me too much.

Their new slogan should be, "We have your money, fuck you."
Okay, the weird thing there is the game file is labelled as "GOG Galaxy Game Installers", located right under the big blue "Try Galaxy" button. So, the not-so-tech-savvy would more than likely go "Hmmm, better grab Galaxy for that GOG Galaxy game installer", install Galaxy, then get... what? An installer that contains Galaxy? Seems logical... O_o
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Post edited July 12, 2017 by tinyE
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Johny.: you can also click MORE->Classing installers to get the installer without Galaxy Client option bundled.
RealPlayer was also like this trying to shove additional software in by default with nearly hidden options to make it not do that.
RealPlayer has gone the way of the dinosaur.
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GR00T: only a matter of time before the classic installers are either not provided at all, or if they are, they'll eventually just not be updated.
This is the day I leave for Steam.
Post edited July 11, 2017 by AlienMind
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tinyE: HOLY SHIT! You don't even need to log off!!!! XD

I just tried it! Is this a joke!?

I went into games, went to Stardew, changed it to "Classic", came in here (never logging off), went right back to Stardew and BAM! Back on the Galaxy included install.

And the punchline to this is I'm about to get booted from the forum and they are going to claim it's for swearing. :P
You don't even have to leave your library. Click on the game in your library to bring the pop-up page with the install file links and change to classic installers. Close the pop-up page. Click on the game again. Pop-up page has reset to GOG Galaxy installers. It's the default setting, with no toggle, so no amount of fiddling is going to make it stick.
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Breja: Then mark it as NEWS.
See discussion above

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Breja: Yeah, because the notifications don't fucking work. But I guess that too somehow isn't GOGs fault in your world.
Of course that's GOG's fault. Notifications should work, yet it would still require people to actually check their messages.

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Breja: Yeah. I don't think vital information about the games you own is "spam" and the fact some people turned the emails off doesn't mean GOG should send them to anyone. What in the actuall fuck.
1) It's not vital information about the games you own. It's information (whether vital or not is debatable) about the installation method of said games. Like changing the installers and breaking wine compatibilty (v1.x->v2.x) or breaking InnoExtract compatibility (encrypted rar archives), which should obviously also be announced to the world.
2) My time in the GOG forum have taught me that people are like π, aka irrational. What you consider important enough to get an e-mail about is not something everyone considers important enough to get one.

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Breja: And of course you've ignored totally the simplest solution I've been advocating this whole time, clearly spelled out in the post I linked, that is to ut the information about the Galaxy-less installers on the download page for everyone to see when they want to download the game.
True, I saw a list, I read the list and ignored the rest. Could it be that said suggestion was not important enough to be added to the list, or were you trying to hide it somewhere you could say it was posted but not clearly visible? Nah, I'm probably just paranoid.

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Breja: Seriously, the lenghts some people will got to justify GOGs every crappy ecision fascinate me.
Not really, I just like debating. Blame whoever killed me in the current mafia game.

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Breja: Why do so many customers defend decisions that are obvously, blatantly anti-consumer?
For the same reason there are arguments about DRM. Because what is "obviously, blatantly" is neither obviously, nor blatantly.

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Breja: do everything you can to keep the customers informed.
And they do. They assume their customers know to look in the forum for news, people say that no, customers are stupid, you should go door to door and tell them in person (hyperbole). They say ok, people will not be able to do X on their own, let's make it easier for them, people say that no, don't treat your customers as idiots.
So, tell me, are the customers intelligent enough to be able to find information on their own, in which case the forum thread is enough information, or are they not intelligent enough and GOG should do anything they can to assist them with even the simpler task? Or should every customer decide for themselves and we shouldn't be taking up the torches and pitchforks for "The Greater Good"?

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Breja: It's their damn obligation. How can customers here be against that?
I consider myself properly warned. I do consider everyone else at least as intelligent and rational as me (so π), and I don't think I should be telling anyone what to do.

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Breja: What is wrong with you?
Considering I'm here, I'd say quite a lot.