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Posted June 27, 2015
I just wish that GOG was more forthcoming about these "borderline" cases. At least put it into "the fine print" on the game cards or something.

Then those of us that take issue with such borderline cases can decide case-by-case which ones we're willing to accept and which ones we're not.

Seems a lot better than the "SURPRISE!" method they have going now..
Posted June 27, 2015
I am long past the point of losing my patience with you, GOG. You probably give less than a gangrenous plague-infected rats asshole's worth over my opinion of you, but this right here is why you deserve to burn down to the ground. This is why you deserve to be destroyed. The only reason you were allowed to exist is DRM-free and it should be forcefully clear that that has been bullshit for a long time.
Posted June 27, 2015
I'm not going to blame GOG over this mess, imo, it's the devs at fault.
It seems that GOG seem to be doing the right thing, but Introversion keep throwing spanners into the works.
I think if Introversion keep doing this, GOG should get tough with them. I would imagine that Introversion get a good chunk of their sales from GOG, and if GOG say they're going to withdraw the games due to them being DRM'ed, maybe Introversion will back down and let GOG finally make it properly DRM-free?
Posted June 27, 2015
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Ciris: The problem here is that we introduced a universal CD Key of sorts into the game so that it would effectively be rid of DRM, however, it seems that it has been banned by the developer once again (this is what caused previous problems with this title).

We have contacted them regarding this issue already and are working on a solution as we do realise that having DRMed games is simply not an option.

That is why I'd suggest that if you run the game, you run it offline or adding it to your firewall to block it froma calling home (it should work without the key that way) - we know that it's a very WIP solution and hope for it to be as temporary as possible, and we'll let you know once the issue is resolved and the game is DRM-free once more.
You obviously do not know what DRM free means. The fact that the developer is even able to do this at all proves that the game is not, and was never, DRM free. You (GOG) are (and have apparently always been) selling the game under false pretenses. This is, in fact, illegal. I just thought I should point that out.
Posted June 27, 2015
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Getcomposted: I'm not going to blame GOG over this mess, imo, it's the devs at fault.
It seems that GOG seem to be doing the right thing, but Introversion keep throwing spanners into the works.
I think if Introversion keep doing this, GOG should get tough with them. I would imagine that Introversion get a good chunk of their sales from GOG, and if GOG say they're going to withdraw the games due to them being DRM'ed, maybe Introversion will back down and let GOG finally make it properly DRM-free?
GOG states in FAQ that they sell games with "no DRM or intrusive copy protection", so it's easy: GOG should remove DEFCON's DRM or withdraw it from his shop.
Posted June 27, 2015
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Getcomposted: I'm not going to blame GOG over this mess, imo, it's the devs at fault.
It seems that GOG seem to be doing the right thing, but Introversion keep throwing spanners into the works.
If the game was DRM free, Introversion could not throw anything into the works, spanners or otherwise. If the game is not DRM free, it should not be on GOG, period. In the end, it comes down to GOG accepting a DRM'ed game on their DRM free service, and then pretending the game is DRM free anyway.
Posted June 27, 2015
On a sort of related note, I'm still waiting for gog to send me a multiplayer key for neverwinter nights.
Posted June 27, 2015
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pimpmonkey2382.313: On a sort of related note, I'm still waiting for gog to send me a multiplayer key for neverwinter nights.
Why are you complaining??? It is right in the title ;)
Posted June 27, 2015
I know this is not the actual point of this particular forum, but Introvision do sell the source code to all of their earlier games. They say it is so people can make mods and other such things, but I am sure someone at GOG could easily make a quick fix patch from the source code.
This would work for Darwinia too if that has a problem too.

https://www.introversion.co.uk/store/#defcon
Posted June 27, 2015
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SirPrimalform: It was during the sale and I actually ended up buying DEFCON in order to investigate, I wrote to support once I'd worked out exactly was going on. After getting the email quoted in the OP I asked for a refund (that's the entirety of the email I got by the way, minus the "Hi" and the support guy's name).
Was it this thread? If yes, I still think that your thread with "DRM" in the title made other people more aware of it. Fronzelneekburm had also mentioned that the game had glaring DRM in it, more than half a year ago.
Post edited June 28, 2015 by Grargar
Posted June 27, 2015
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lazydog: I can guarantee you that I know of a few already, but will not name them till I have proof. Some of course may well be nothing to worry about, as the example I gave earlier regarding uplink was since proved to be harmless.
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Pajama: How can I tell if they are nothing to worry about? The reason I ask is that currently I've got seven games from GOG installed that try to connect to somewhere, luckily I get a firewall warning and so I blocked them all straight away and have not allowed them any access at all. They seem to work OK without internet access but I've always wondered at this behaviour and how to tell if it is innocent or not.
Good question.

I have also blocked more than one.

Some of the newer indie games check and ask. AI wars for example, checks to see if you are on the latest patch but will run regardless of connection.

Some other games, as you concur, will attempt to stealthily connect. They still appear to run when blocked so it may well be nothing.

Block on principle, unless you deem otherwise.
Post edited June 27, 2015 by lazydog
Posted June 27, 2015
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Goodaltgamer: Why are you complaining??? It is right in the title ;)
The game isn't called Nevergiving Nights. Neither Neversending Nights :P
Post edited June 27, 2015 by Grargar
Posted June 27, 2015
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Goodaltgamer: Why are you complaining??? It is right in the title ;)
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Grargar: The game isn't called Nevergiving Nights. Neither Neversending Nights :P
Neverever heights or neverending fight? :P
Posted June 28, 2015
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SirPrimalform: ... Not only is GOG selling a game with completely active DRM, they're apparently not at all bothered about fixing it as their advice is just to put up with online activation. ....
That is kind of the crucial point here. I don't mind typing in some stupid numbers to a program in order for it to work, but if it also needs to phone home, i.e. if the single player part cannot be played without internection, then they have DRM and basically are not better than Steam for this particular game.

Shame on you GOG.
Posted June 28, 2015
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SirPrimalform: ... Not only is GOG selling a game with completely active DRM, they're apparently not at all bothered about fixing it as their advice is just to put up with online activation. ....
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Trilarion: That is kind of the crucial point here. I don't mind typing in some stupid numbers to a program in order for it to work, but if it also needs to phone home, i.e. if the single player part cannot be played without internection, then they have DRM and basically are not better than Steam for this particular game.

Shame on you GOG.
Unless I read wrong, it actually can be played offline... it only tries to phone home when the internet is active, in which then it needs a valid key.
Post edited June 28, 2015 by BKGaming
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