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StingingVelvet: There is zero chance at all this would pass muster. Leaving aside the subjective definition of what DRM is, there's the fact the base game does in fact run with zero DRM. Everything outside of that could be considered an online mode. That's why GOG agreed to sell it in the first place.

I disagree with that choice, as the game's offline mode is way too limited to count as "the singleplayer experience," but a lawsuit? Some of you guys need a Xanax.
Weel, if people want to waste their money on an almost hopeless lawsuit, go ahead.
You also have the whole issue of what constitutes a leagl contract of not.
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Lifthrasil: Very well. Thanks for asking. GOG backed down and removed HITMAN. Case closed.
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NuffCatnip: Not exactly an answer to his question.
But yeah, too bad they won't tell us how they tried suing gog. :P

My suggestion is that like minded individuals participate in this thread to use GOG's own forum to gather evidence to be used as the basis for a class action lawsuit against the website.

What a silly thread. :)
A class action lawsuit on behalf of console gamers who were lied to by CDPR re CP 2077 would be an interesting proposition -- not least because game companies aren't shielded from liability the way the pharmaceutical industry is.
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BroscienceEngineer: HEY FOLKS, HOW IS THIS MOVEMENT GOING
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Lifthrasil: Very well. Thanks for asking. GOG backed down and removed HITMAN. Case closed.
Umm, can you read? The topic title says CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT! Where is the lawsuit?

I'd love to see you fools waste your money nitpicking over dumb things like this.
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yet blizzard gets away with always online drm and failing to run servers
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Lifthrasil: Very well. Thanks for asking. GOG backed down and removed HITMAN. Case closed.
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BroscienceEngineer: Umm, can you read? The topic title says CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT! Where is the lawsuit?

I'd love to see you fools waste your money nitpicking over dumb things like this.
there is no lawsuit and wont be , this is clearly just a rage out topic
Post edited October 18, 2021 by Orkhepaj
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Zrevnur: According to your logic GOG also wouldnt have to censor games for non-EU countries and wouldnt have to pay VAT for non-EU countries then?
And if a judgement in a court of US would have "no effect" then why does/will CDP even bother to "defend themselves vigorously" (which is going to cost money) in this case https://www.gog.com/forum/general/cdpr_faces_4_lawsuits_from_investors ?

Do you have some evidence of a similar precedence case in which there was an enforcement issue?
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Zrevnur: Also found this in page 92 in https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content/uploads-en/2021/04/management-board-report-on-the-activities-of-the-cd-projekt-group-and-cdc-projekt-sa-in-2020.pdf

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where they operate, in countries where they distribute their products and goods, as well as – to some extent –
in countries in which they purchase or license products and technologies used in the videogame development
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Zrevnur: Edit: found out how to link to a particular page in a pdf: https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content/uploads-en/2021/04/management-board-report-on-the-activities-of-the-cd-projekt-group-and-cdc-projekt-sa-in-2020.pdf#page=92
Your point would be what exactly? I think there's some context being missed.

Also, you need to pay attention to page 8 of the PDF you linked. Might help you with that context thing in reference to page 92/93.
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BroscienceEngineer: HEY FOLKS, HOW IS THIS MOVEMENT GOING
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Lifthrasil: Very well. Thanks for asking. GOG backed down and removed HITMAN. Case closed.
The question was about the movement to sue GOG over the Hitman fiasco, which was and still is a ridiculous proposition.

I supported removing Hitman, but that doesn't mean this thread ever made any sense.
A point (of me quoting that) was that CDP does not appear to believe they could just ignore unfavorable rulings in countries where they have sales.
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lexluthermiester: I think there's some context being missed.

Also, you need to pay attention to page 8 of the PDF you linked. Might help you with that context thing in reference to page 92/93.
I have no idea what you are trying to say. The only relevant context on page 8 that I can see is that CDP got significant sales in North America - but IMO that was obvious anyway.
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Lifthrasil: Very well. Thanks for asking. GOG backed down and removed HITMAN. Case closed.
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my name is supyreor catte: The question was about the movement to sue GOG over the Hitman fiasco, which was and still is a ridiculous proposition.

I supported removing Hitman, but that doesn't mean this thread ever made any sense.
Exactly. This thread is silly and clueless beyond all reason.


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lexluthermiester: Your point would be what exactly?
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Zrevnur: A point (of me quoting that) was that CDP does not appear to believe they could just ignore unfavorable rulings in countries where they have sales.
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lexluthermiester: I think there's some context being missed.

Also, you need to pay attention to page 8 of the PDF you linked. Might help you with that context thing in reference to page 92/93.
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Zrevnur: I have no idea what you are trying to say. The only relevant context on page 8 that I can see is that CDP got significant sales in North America - but IMO that was obvious anyway.
You being in Deustchland, no one expects you to understand United States legal code. And I'm not going to get into the details of it all. Just know that a class action in the US would do nothing to GOG and could easily be dismissed for improper venue.
Post edited October 20, 2021 by lexluthermiester
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glad i still dont see this lawsuit happening , i was right as always
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Zrevnur: A point (of me quoting that) was that CDP does not appear to believe they could just ignore unfavorable rulings in countries where they have sales.

I have no idea what you are trying to say. The only relevant context on page 8 that I can see is that CDP got significant sales in North America - but IMO that was obvious anyway.
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lexluthermiester: You being in Deustchland, no one expects you to understand United States legal code. And I'm not going to get into the details of it all. Just know that a class action in the US would do nothing to GOG and could easily be dismissed for improper venue.
Whatever US 'legal code' says - my statements here were about whether CDP can or cant just ignore foreign court rulings. I have shown evidence supporting what I wrote.
I did not make claims on the viability of such (as implied by the context) a class action lawsuit. I explicitly stated that I dont have sufficient knowledge about that.
And I still dont know why I "need to pay attention" to page 8.
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lexluthermiester: You being in Deustchland, no one expects you to understand United States legal code. And I'm not going to get into the details of it all. Just know that a class action in the US would do nothing to GOG and could easily be dismissed for improper venue.
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Zrevnur: Whatever US 'legal code' says - my statements here were about whether CDP can or cant just ignore foreign court rulings. I have shown evidence supporting what I wrote.
I did not make claims on the viability of such (as implied by the context) a class action lawsuit. I explicitly stated that I dont have sufficient knowledge about that.
And I still dont know why I "need to pay attention" to page 8.
You're failing to understand some basic context. No class-action lawsuit in the US will have any meaning to a non-US business entity. For any legal action to have effect, it much be taken to the nation the company is headquartered, which is Poland. Poland is the proper venue for legal action, not the United States. How do you not understand this simple point?
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Zrevnur: Whatever US 'legal code' says - my statements here were about whether CDP can or cant just ignore foreign court rulings. I have shown evidence supporting what I wrote.
I did not make claims on the viability of such (as implied by the context) a class action lawsuit. I explicitly stated that I dont have sufficient knowledge about that.
And I still dont know why I "need to pay attention" to page 8.
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lexluthermiester: You're failing to understand some basic context. No class-action lawsuit in the US will have any meaning to a non-US business entity. For any legal action to have effect, it much be taken to the nation the company is headquartered, which is Poland. Poland is the proper venue for legal action, not the United States. How do you not understand this simple point?
Can you back this up properly?
I already linked to this class action https://www.gog.com/forum/general/cdpr_faces_4_lawsuits_from_investors It is based on lawsuit/s in the US based on US rules. Far as I know there is no involvement of a Polish court.
I dont see this being consistent with your "No class-action lawsuit in the US will have any meaning to a non-US business entity." statement. Unless you want to imply for example that the ones behind those lawsuits, the court and CDP/R are clueless and dont know what they are doing.
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lexluthermiester: You're failing to understand some basic context. No class-action lawsuit in the US will have any meaning to a non-US business entity. For any legal action to have effect, it much be taken to the nation the company is headquartered, which is Poland. Poland is the proper venue for legal action, not the United States. How do you not understand this simple point?
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Zrevnur: Can you back this up properly?
I already linked to this class action https://www.gog.com/forum/general/cdpr_faces_4_lawsuits_from_investors It is based on lawsuit/s in the US based on US rules. Far as I know there is no involvement of a Polish court.
I dont see this being consistent with your "No class-action lawsuit in the US will have any meaning to a non-US business entity." statement. Unless you want to imply for example that the ones behind those lawsuits, the court and CDP/R are clueless and dont know what they are doing.
sorry
Post edited October 28, 2021 by toupz111
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Zrevnur: Can you back this up properly?
I already linked to this class action https://www.gog.com/forum/general/cdpr_faces_4_lawsuits_from_investors It is based on lawsuit/s in the US based on US rules. Far as I know there is no involvement of a Polish court.
I dont see this being consistent with your "No class-action lawsuit in the US will have any meaning to a non-US business entity." statement. Unless you want to imply for example that the ones behind those lawsuits, the court and CDP/R are clueless and dont know what they are doing.
How are you not understanding this? The US branch entity of the Poland headquartered CDPR can(and very likely will) simply be denied access to company funds. As such the results of that class-action are pointless as the plaintiffs, should they be victorious, will still have to go to Poland to seek relief, which will not be easy and is very unlikely to succeed. It's all bark and zero bite.
Post edited November 09, 2021 by lexluthermiester
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samuraigaiden: Since the earliest days, GOG built the entire identity of it's platform around being DRM-free.

Even now, in the game page for Hitman 2016 it says "DRM FREE. No activation or online connection required to play."

Unfortunately, it has become clear that this is simply untrue. Hitman requires an always online connection to have access to basic single player game progression, such as unlocking new weapons, outfits and new starting locations.

To anyone unfamiliar, Hitman is a stealth sandbox game. The claim that the base story content is playable offline is meaningless given that is a mere fraction of the experience. This is not a Telltale adventure game we're talking about.

The state in which the game is being sold not only contradicts the information present in the game page, it contradicts the entire identity that GOG built since it's inception.

This is not just about a specific game. It's about a website luring people for years with the promise of only selling DRM-free software.

Hitman 2016 creates a terrible precedent for more games to be released on GOG with only a tiny slice of the single player gameplay actually DRM-free while the bulk of the experience requires an always online connection or some other form of DRM.

If we are to look at this situation in the wider context of recent controversies surrounding the launch of Cyberpunk 2077, the big picture is even more worrying.

It is clear that CDPR management needs a wake up call.

My suggestion is that like minded individuals participate in this thread to use GOG's own forum to gather evidence to be used as the basis for a class action lawsuit against the website.

I am saddened that it has come to this.

GOG is in a path of self destruction and the only way to save is by making our voices heard.
Not sure if you weren't here for the Devotion fiasco last year, but that was essentially GOG's removing-the-Do-Not-Be-Evil-motto moment for it. I'd join, but my country isn't even within the same legal jurisdiction system than yours, and it's sort of a lost case - them throwing their reputation in the shitter isn't something that can really be sued, specially if you can still download the games you bought previously without DRM.