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Zephyr trips over his own feet and falls out of the airlock
Post edited April 19, 2019 by JoeSapphire
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ZFR: Joe, someone seems to have broken into your account and posted 2 vote counts now without any mistakes.
I'm sure there had to have been a mistake, you do notice it has been edited ;)
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ZFR: Joe, someone seems to have broken into your account and posted 2 vote counts now without any mistakes.
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trentonlf: I'm sure there had to have been a mistake, you do notice it has been edited ;)
Alright yes, at first it said PookaMustard had zero votes.

AND I accidentally edited the old votecount instead of copying it to a new window so I had to rewrite the story text from memory.

Puzzlebot stamps the words "clever dick" onto The Canton Calf's forehead. He looks very smug.
Huh.

20 hours later and there's nothing for me to respond to. This is a first.

So without further ado, since we are closing to the deadline, blotunga seems to be the most likely pick for the reasons stated before by ZFR.

@mod vote blotunga
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PookaMustard: Huh.

20 hours later and there's nothing for me to respond to. This is a first.

So without further ado, since we are closing to the deadline, blotunga seems to be the most likely pick for the reasons stated before by ZFR.

@mod vote blotunga
Yeah, I've been back to the thread a couple of times hoping for more posts too. Now this is how I remember GOG mafia! Not pages and pages of essays, but an almost complete drought of activity, games that last 6 months!
That was the origin of my Reckless Abandon™ policy.

p.s. Is there a reason you @ the mod with all your votes?
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SirPrimalform: Yeah, I've been back to the thread a couple of times hoping for more posts too. Now this is how I remember GOG mafia! Not pages and pages of essays, but an almost complete drought of activity, games that last 6 months!
That was the origin of my Reckless Abandon™ policy.

p.s. Is there a reason you @ the mod with all your votes?
I'll be surprised if this game lasts another half month.

I @ the mod with all my votes and bold them to make sure they not only stand out, but are also serious votes. It's basically the way I handle votes after the voting/vroting mess in D1.
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PookaMustard: I'll be surprised if this game lasts another half month.

I @ the mod with all my votes and bold them to make sure they not only stand out, but are also serious votes. It's basically the way I handle votes after the voting/vroting mess in D1.
That's because our saviour Joe's rigid enforcement of deadlines. We had some games that were ridiculously slow in the past.

Fair enough. I'm content with bolding as it's pretty hard to do that by accident. I think not requiring bolding is a slippery slope to retconning votes an all sorts of shenanigans. The @mod seems overkill, but there's nothing wrong with a little belt 'n' braces.
Sorry @all, was doing a lot worse than anticipated yesterday, plus Internet connection still iffy (argh!). On the brighter side, my ISP implemented sort of a temporary, not particularly satisfying, fix this afternoon until we revisit the matter tomorrow again, so my connection should be somewhat less problematic (at least I hope so).

Off to catch up.
Bloody internet connection! Got sick and tired seeing that "connecting" and "waiting for gog.com" every time I try to open something in a new tab.


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ZFR: [...] What's your definition of "considered" then? Here is what you wrote after I fully explained my idea:

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/captain_sapphire_the_movie_gog_mafia_57/post448
"OK, I misunderstood how you're tying in his D1 play. It's possible, I'm just not sure how likely it is." (emphasis mine)

I'd say that fits the definition of "considered" pretty well. You consider it possible while not being sure if it's likely.

Compare to outright dismissal by trent.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/captain_sapphire_the_movie_gog_mafia_57/post434
"ZFR: His theory on Scene and blotunga is something I don't see being what's going on at all."

Out of the two reactions, I think the third scum more likely to react the way you did than the way trent did. [...]
I read your use of the term "considered" as you saying that I agreed with you at the time; sorry. Since we agree that I didn't - yes, I did explore your theory as I found your fixation interesting and odd, and wanted to understand why and how you thought things fit, while trying to discern what mind-set it all may be coming from. And yes, trentonlf reacted very differently, and he wasn't the only one to react differently, but is that really an indicator of anything regarding myself? trentonlf and I have vastly different play-styles as either alignment; the same applies to you, and everybody else, and me.

Regarding Korotan - yes, buddying-up wasn't the correct term to use, and I concur, what I said about Korotan, though my honest view of him and his play, isn't really AI.


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ZFR: [...] SPF: if the fakeclaim was agreed upon at night, he would have asked a question that scene had the answer to [...] Anyway, even if the fakeclaim wasn't agreed upon at night, I'm not sure scum!SPF would immediately start questioning scene. [...]
I guess you're ruling out it might have been a subtle nudge that didn't click with supplementscene, or that it might have been clever distancing on SirPrimalform's part?



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SirPrimalform: When I first started reading this I was thinking WTF, what list? And then I get to the crucial bit of info and realise that you're referring to something that isn't even in the game thread. I confess, I saw that Joe was running another game and rushed to sign up without reading the sign up OP as I knew whatever Joe was doing I'd want to be in it.
Here's the forum thread I saw which referenced Psychoanalysts: https://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1470584 [...]
[emphasis added]

*raises eyebrow*

I don't doubt that you wanted to be in whatever game JoeSapphire was modding, I am, however, questioning as what alignment you're in it.

The crucial bit of info in my post that should have caught your attention first isn't that the list was linked to in the sign-up OP, but that it was linked to in this very thread [emphasis added]:

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HypersomniacLive: [...] The list of possible roles clearly says that it's an investigative role that finds out what modifiers (called qualifiers in that game) a player has.
The post with this list was linked to by Microfishd at the beginning of D2, and has been alluded and referred to a few times already. [...]
It's Microfishd's post #340 I'm referring to. So, even accepting that you didn't pay attention to the sign-up OP, I'm more than inclined to think that you selectively read the thread, as evidenced here with my very post; missing that part of my post gives your explanation somewhat of a leg to stand on.
And looking at the link you gave, it's... interesting that when you saw Microfishd's flip, your first thought was to wander off this forum and spend time on a general search for info on the role instead of, or at least additionally to, going back and checking the game-thread which in turn would/should have led you to the sign-up thread (though it's not a prerequisite to know what the roles in play are).



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PookaMustard: I had thought that SPF already checked that list and found nothing determinate, so I did the extra step and went to the mafia scum wiki to check it out and found nothing. If SPF didn't mention not finding anything, it's probable I would have checked the original roles list. [...]
So, you're saying that you took what SirPrimalform said as confirmation of him not only having checked the roles list but also having found nothing, so didn't check yourself, and just went with it. The same SirPrimaform who's exhibited like zero evidence he's actually caught up with and following the game-thread, and the same SirPrimalform you've had in your top suspects the whole game and were voting for on D3. D3 where you were very willing to vote supplementscene based on ZFR's catch, but didn't want to hammer him at the time so that we could get the most out of the situation before lynching him, and then did your part by... leaving right after making that post.

It's also interesting that you (sort of) addressed the other part of my post by replying to ZFR, and seeing that you base your vote on his arguments, it feels like you're trying to get on his good side now.


Vote PookaMustard


Since deadline is tomorrow, I'll see if I can get on my neighbours wi-fi if my Internet connection problem isn't resolved.


*crossed fingers the post gets through without hiccups*
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HypersomniacLive: *raises eyebrow*

It's Microfishd's post #340 I'm referring to. So, even accepting that you didn't pay attention to the sign-up OP, I'm more than inclined to think that you selectively read the thread, as evidenced here with my very post; missing that part of my post gives your explanation somewhat of a leg to stand on.
And looking at the link you gave, it's... interesting that when you saw Microfishd's flip, your first thought was to wander off this forum and spend time on a general search for info on the role instead of, or at least additionally to, going back and checking the game-thread which in turn would/should have led you to the sign-up thread (though it's not a prerequisite to know what the roles in play are).
*gently reaches out and pushes your eyebrow down*

Hmm, the beginning of D2... was that when I was ill? I almost certainly read it along the way but I must not have clicked the link or really remembered it. If you think that is AI then there's not much I can do about it.
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HypersomniacLive: So, you're saying that you took what SirPrimalform said as confirmation of him not only having checked the roles list but also having found nothing, so didn't check yourself, and just went with it. The same SirPrimaform who's exhibited like zero evidence he's actually caught up with and following the game-thread, and the same SirPrimalform you've had in your top suspects the whole game and were voting for on D3.
I don't see what him being my top suspect have to do with him saying he didn't notice the whole psychoanalyst thing. In fact, I'd like to say that it was only brought up as interesting by you, while the rest of the players kind of shrugged.

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HypersomniacLive: D3 where you were very willing to vote supplementscene based on ZFR's catch, but didn't want to hammer him at the time so that we could get the most out of the situation before lynching him, and then did your part by... leaving right after making that post.
Whatever I could have said after that post, was already said. There was really no room for me to add anything more to the topic; scene just happened. What more do you need? The only thing I could do was "I agree with X and Y." Say hello to the next quote.

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HypersomniacLive: It's also interesting that you (sort of) addressed the other part of my post by replying to ZFR, and seeing that you base your vote on his arguments, it feels like you're trying to get on his good side now.
Same argument as the quote above. Besides, who said agreeing with what he said means I am "trying to get on his good side now"? Whether I stand by my theory or not, he has a point about blotunga that I don't have a reason to question as it makes sense. The way I see it, you seem too eager to build up to that...

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HypersomniacLive: Vote PookaMustard
And I couldn't shake off that nagging feeling that I've created for you the perfect opportunity to drive me out of the game. To all others, if you read me as scum, does it make sense for me to be that out in the wild? Would you believe my constant stumbling to be scummy? I for one wouldn't have put up that theory about ZFR/trent if I was. I'd be night coached to hell and back - does any of my posts appear to be the work of someone who was night coached? I still have no idea what scene's self destruct means, apart from the possibility that it could have been used to drive attention away from blotunga.

Did it work? Probably, if I get two more votes, he may continue to live. Wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't NK4.

Since the level of interaction with scene is now enough to incriminate me...and then we got Microfish who was done for his analysis but not HSL who seems like a logical next if not a logical first before Micro, I might as well quickly ISO HSL and see how often it is that he questions scene and on what points. Plus, nobody seems to realize I have yet to grasp the full scale of the game; especially the whole bit with counterclaiming.
Captain Sapphire's eyes widen in shock and horror. The screen reads "Welcome, Vice-Mayor Sarina Mahmood."
The shot flicks between a close-up of Captain Sapphire's eyes and a close-up of the words a few times.

2 - M. Moutard (PookaMustard) - ZFR, HypersomniacLive,
1 - Inkblot (blotunga) - PookaMustard,
1 - Serpent Rime (SirPrimalform) - Trentonlf,

0 - The Canton Calf (Trentonlf) -
0 - Zephyr (ZFR) -
0 - Koro-Koro Tank (Korotan) -
0 - The Hypersomniac (HypersomniacLive) -

Not Voting - Korotan, blotunga, SirPrimalform,

PookaMustard currently holds the most votes at two away from majority

deadline in like 24hours from now, except I'll be partying so I probably won't be there to police the deadline but he day could end abruptly any time after then so watch yourselves!
Post edited April 20, 2019 by JoeSapphire
So I did that ISO on HSL. Interestingly, he wasn't focusing all that much on scene and blotunga, instead having a preference for ZFR; most of his posts seem to be talking with him.

When he does talk to scene/blotunga, it wasn't often and the subjects are obvious. I'll try to list them as best as I can.
- Responding to blotunga who believed ZFR had a quick change of heart. Also blotunga's advice that scum don't have to coach in the day.
- He doesn't quote him directly, but he mentions that scene's performance in this game was tame, post 126
- Pressing blotunga further about why he voted for me on D2, probed scene about changing his vote to blotunga (back during the Shoots Blotunga thing) (by the way SPF: this is a perfect example of why I use a bolded @mod whenever I can help it), post 135
- Later, being angry at Joe for counting Scene's aforementioned vote on blotunga, Post 174
- Talking with blotunga about Scene's vote, 189.
Interestingly in that last post is this portion, in response to blotunga saying scene is probably contradicting himself again by voting him. Isn't a conclusive tell, but it's...interesting given the scene/blotunga dynamic.
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HypersomniacLive: Given that it's now the third game (fourth? don't know if you were also in the off-site one) you and supplementscene play together, do you think you're a "newbie" in his eyes?
- Asking scene about why he seemed happy to vote me, plus confronting him that his talk with blotunga seems less like accusations and more like just banter. Oh, and calling him out for the whole "I have a Secret Hitler game which is of higher priority" thing and calling out his behavior towards trent. Post 262 and 267
- Scene about the absent NK, Post 373, then talk about the roleblocker and miscellaneous stuff in post 375

- Several posts later, he raises an eyebrow on Post 476 on blotunga voting for me to try and draw activity out of me. As well as asking him what reactions he was expecting out of me in Post 510.

It goes in a culmination in Post 675, with him voting on scene following the self-destruct. He doesn't do much about scene right after, just point out that someone would be the hammer, mention that's not how a power cop works, talking about scene's votes and thanking him for scene's wishes earlier. Almost as if...he did barely anything after he contributed with the vote. Doesn't really make him much better than me. Slightly, yes, but nothing he said made scene look more viable a lynch nor managed to get more info out of him, just correcting his info on roles.

Yes, turns out I'm bad at trying to put information up in one post, but I believe it's something. From what I've seen...he's been skirting the lines on the two of them. He questions them occasionally, but not a single vote on either of them until scene happened. Now for a quick look at the vote results per day...

He was on Fran's, Lift's and scene's wagon. Convenient? Seems likely to me. Would go in line with dedoporno said about HSL earlier back when I mentioned skimming his posts.

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dedoporno: Even though I know exactly where you're coming from I have to admit that one shouldn't discard HSL's posts. They are valuable as Town and can be very damaging as scum if you allow it. With that said you shouldn't skim anyone's really, especially if you're Town. Information is already scarce and confusing enough as it is.
I never asked him whether "as Town" or "as scum" refers to him or myself, the "if you allow it" bit seems to imply me, but he has a point. I'll spare blotunga for this day. With the little research I did on him, and my gut feeling, I declare to...

@mod vote HypersomniacLive
Traveling tomorrow. May not be able to post too often.
I will be super busy today and will have little time to post, but I will do my best to be here around the end of day.

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