yes, the new 'Day' starts fresh

good to know, thanks!

@microfishd I didn't vote for no unmasking, I voted for Trent. Korotan voted for no unmasking, probably because he's new

I suppose this makes sense, if we can't get a sub Fran will have to be lynched. I haven't played Mafia in a while, do we need 7 votes to confirm the lynch or can the lynch happen without a clear majority?

I won't hammer anyway as Hyper wanted to post today, but I would like to get into Day 2 and go as everyone grouping on the lurker doesn't tell us a whole lot about 'them'. Although I do expect 1 or 2 Mafia members to be on Fran's wagon as it makes a great annonymous vote. Not the best start for town unless Fran is on the Mafia team.

@joesapphire hopefully you can get the night phase quickly coordinated so we get back to playing ASAP

A modkill isn't supported by players like a lynch is. It's the decision of the mod. So we don't have the votes that we have on a lynch wagon and we don't have the arguments that accompany those votes. Which means, we have less to analyze. Also, sometimes modkills don't generate flips while lynches usually do (flip=the reveal of role and alignment of the dead player). I don't know whether that's the case in this game. But the point is, we gain more info from a lynch than we gain from a modkill. Not much more in the case of Fran, but still somewhat more. A modkill should only be the last resort.

@mod: would a modkill generate a flip in this game?

If this is not a roleplay why did then Saphhire RP and gave each of us a RP character?

Just as flavour. Think of the scenario as backdrop or fluff. It just adds a little color. The real game is taking place in direct conversation. It is a game of deduction. Roleplaying a specific character just gets in the way. As I stated several times: clarity is in the best interest of Town. We are trying to solve a social riddle. Our main weapon is figuring out who is lying - and acting is always a little bit lying too. Or in other words, scum players could abuse roleplaying as excuses. "Naah! I didn't mean that! That's just something my character would say." Also, any kind of confusion is good for scum and bad for town.

One of the core tenets of Mafia is: DON'T LIE AS TOWN. EVER! ... and lynch all liars. Scum players have no choice but to lie and sometimes they get caught. So if town keeps to the tenet of never lying, every liar lynched is automatically scum.

In conclusion: if you are Town (=Hero in this game) and you want your faction to win, better stop the role-playing. It is an unnecessary effort on your part and it acts potentially against Town.

Yes it would.


Four hours to deadline

Hopefully Hyper can be on soon so they can say what they wanted to. I will hammer in the next 2-3 hours, I can’t guarantee I’ll be here at the end of day.

Sorry @all, I'm still very tired and a bit feverish, so it's taking longer than I thought it would or want it to.


I had to go back and look at how things unfolded timeline-wise, and have to admit that this looks a tad bad, given that Microfishd takes notice of who were helpful to the newbies.


I don't know, tone-wise their ISO says it's not an act. Perhaps they're a great performer, but I'd not vote them Today, even with Fran67 out of the picture.


Not necessarily. Before factoring in alignment, I think that one's own logic and way of approaching things in general is the leans through which we read/interpret the content and tone of what others post, more so when unfamiliar with the poster. Add the lack of hard facts to base one's assessment/judgment on, and you get one's initial gut feelings.


My very first mafia game was flubbucket's (now) legendary milk game (#25). It was an 18 players Role Madness game setup, with no flips, two lonely Godfathers who each had to build their mafia team by Goons finding either one of them and getting recruited (until then they had no killing power, only the Godfathers did), plus a SK. Town had a Coroner who was the N1 NK, so we never got a single flip all game long. And if this wasn't enough, both Godfathers kept targetting the same player for the first three Nights, until one killed the other.

It still was a fun game, and town managed to win.



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Do you think this is a new approach from scum!supplementscene in order not to repeat mistakes from the past?
Since he's not a new player to a number of us, he should know that we keep an eye on him, and that his play this game has attracted as much attention as his previous ones. What do you make of the fact that he doesn't seem (particularly?) concerned about all this?


[emphasis added]

I assume that you don't see their attitude the way dedoporno and I do, yes? I understand that you're pretty hard locked on supplementscene, but from what we've seen so far, do you expect Fran67 to start playing D2 and onwards? I mean, play for real, engage others and do some game solving?


I'd appreciate a bump.

Where is everyone when you need a bump?


He's giving his reasons for voting ZFR, which are based on his analysis of the situation that led him to that vote. Even what you call "attacks" on others are based on analysing a situation and/or someone's play. So your use of the term "analysis" isn't wrong, I just don't get why it's reflecting negatively on trentonlf when applying it to why and how he voted ZFR.


He's not flat out wrong. trentonlf had provided definitions of the terms RVS and LAMIST as early as in his post #34. A post central to your read of trentonlf. So it is eyebrow raising that you've missed them when you seem to be keeping track of who's been helpful and in what way, especially to someone who feels something's off about you.

I myself had overlooked that you've been narrowing it down to your posts #117 and #119, and admit it doesn't look good since we're talking about trentonlf's post #34 and you did comment about people's helpfulness after it and before your post #117, but based on the tone of your overall play, I'm only making a mental note of this for now.


Thanks. And I now feel bad for neglecting to wish you well on your own injury earlier; I appreciate the effort you're making to stay active in the game despite it, and hope it won't affect your recovery much.


And speaking of health issues affecting people's participation, I can't help but get back to SirPrimalform. Again, I sympathise with his condition, but I wonder if there isn't more to him.

In post #192 he said [emphasis added]:
Then in post #200 [emphasis added]:
That was two days ago according to the forum timestamps, yet in post #215, more than a day later (again according to timestamps at the moment of this writing) [emphasis added]:
Followed by post #236 made a few hours earlier today:
I get that he wasn't doing so hot for the past week, but looking at this series of posts, it seems a tad too convenient that, besides Fran67 and Korotan (who seems to have gravely misunderstood the nature of the game), he's ending D1 with no record of any sort of meaningful comment, scum-hunting and/or (even tentative) suspect(s) of any sort. Because he's not caught up with the thread in spite multiple references of intention to do so. The only thing we have is a watered down FoS at PookaMustard due to the disclaimer that even that vote would be to avoid No-Lynch.

Going to get some lunch to take my meds, then get to supplementscene.

bimp

You've moved the deadline forward 25 minutes or so, why!?

I find it interesting with Scene that once I started pointing out that he was not invested and his posts up to that point had been very blasé that he became a lot more active and started giving analysis. He used the excuse that he needed the day to progress before he could give any real analysis, and that excuse stinks IMO. My guess is he was trying to lay low at the start of the game and realized it was causing him to look bad. I could be wrong, but he feels off this game. I also had to laugh when he said “It’s been awhile since I played mafia, it takes 7 to lynch right?” Maybe he doesn’t know how to do math anymore to figure out what a majority vote is? Looks like to me that he’s trying to appear “unsure” of things to try and garner some sympathy.

No, I actually agree with you and Dedo about Fran. I just wish we could get more info from their lynch if they are not scum because it’s an easy wagon to be on without looking bad.

Are you in some sort of a hurry?