Yes, you are! Always! ;-)

And yes, there are games where dead players can keep talking as so-called tree-stumps. (Don't ask my why they are called stumps and not ghosts). Someone also suggested a role that can talk with the dead somewhere. So the dead can't directly talk in the game thread anymore, but they get a hidden chat with the medium and can communicate through her. Without knowing which alignment the medium has. It's an interesting role, but one that is difficult to balance.

But a different question: what are your thoughts on SirPrimalform?

TLDR I'm happy to lynch: Trent, HSL Pooka, SPF. And I'm willing to lynch: ZFR, Dedoporno, Blotunga. I don't think Fran is a good lynch as player that simply is not playing I think Fran should be substituted. Explanation for the rest:

I made a long post, which didn't post because GOG actually went offline about an hour and a half back. I thought GOG had gone bankrupt. So I think the best way to Scumhunt is 2 fold. Firstly insincere criticism or voting without a good reason. Both of these indicate the player isn't analysing but looking for an excuse. So I have some OMGUS responses but OMGUS with cavet that the criticism to me seems insincere. My other technique is to analyse wagon shifting. If someone jumps on a wagon that's gaining momentum it can look opportunistic. Last game Agent and Bler jumped on my wagon for an insincere criticism. When it was gaining momentum they both jumped onto a wagon with 3 votes taking it to 5 votes. They were both Scum. That's part of the reason I haven't posted this week. But not the only one, I've been a little busy and have preferred to play secrethitler.io in my leisure time. But I did want to see how wagons developed to get info before analying. I am analytical but I can't analyse nothing, which is pretty much all we have in the early days.

In terms of wagons developing the 3 key wagons have been mine (Scene), Fran and Pooka. Dedoporno and HSL are 4th and 5th votes on Fran. Are these opportunistic? Maybe. NowNow mine went to 3 with Pooka and Trent voted after other votes have been removed. So Pookas wagon developed after criticism he , was this sincere and reasonable? I don't know, maybe. From recollection SPF, Lift and ZFR found Pooka suspect. It wasn't likely my wagon would take off at this stage without me posting so I tend to think Pooka wasn't trying to build the wagons momentum in his first few posts in the game.

So currently I'm voting Trent because I question whether his assessment of him voting for me is insincere given he has played 2 games with me when I was a very busy poster playing Scum roles. He knows this, yet thinks I maybe Scum. Is this sincere? I don't know, but it feels off to me. Did Trent jump on my wagon after seeing 3 players already vote for me in this game?

So @HypersomniacLive and ZFR have both accussed me of 'buddying' upto none other than Blotunga. Well this is suprising. Because I actually voted for Blotunga in the form of a shot because I thought Blotunga's analysis of either ZFR or Lift was insincere (I forget which). Where is the buddying HSL and ZFR? Please highlight it. Or are you both casting shade? I haven't actually interracted with any of the other new players. Although I do plan on replying to Korotan when I've finished this post. Other players have and they kindly coached them through game mechanics. Ofcourse Fasc Scum may do this to carry Liberal favour.

SPF I have no read on because he's inactive. His assessment of Pooka seemed reasonable. But he doesn't post much and his AVI is a play on him not giving off any vibes because he doesn't post. This is anti-town and he has to be a lynch target because A) he could be Scum and we wouldn't know because of innactivity B) lack of analysis hurts Town and is SPF even reading the thread to make the best decision if he is Town? I don't know. I think he's my second favourite wagon after Trent.

@Blotunga - I didn't realise this was your first game. I don't quite hold you in the same chategory as players who are completely new as you're a SecretHitler veteran.

@JoeSapphire - can we SUB Fran67 instead of voting him/her out please? It's going to hurt the Liberal cause if we simply lynch players who aren't actually playing

While I understand mods not wanting to do it , sometimes a modkill is inevitable. In cases when the lack of modkill hurts the game more.

Not trying to interfere. I'll play with whatever decision you make.

Just posting to say I'll mostly likely be inactive for the next 15+18 hours, at which point I hope to catch up on everything.

Doesn't seem like anything spectacular or game changing has happened since last night's post. If a replacement for Fran isn't forthcoming and for whatever reason Fran doesn't seem to be coming back, I'm honestly not sure about the relative merits of lynch vs modkill. Modkill seems more fair to the town assuming it doesn't trigger night and we get to pick an actual lynch target.

Please stop using terminology from Secret Hitler, we are playing Mafia and there are no fascists or liberals. Also please when you vote use “vote” and not something else like “punch” , “Shoots”, etc.

You have not been invested in this game, you started late and went 3 days between posts after that. When you did post as I said already it was very blasé. That sounds like a mafia player who’s unsure what to say. Coming in close to deadline and appearing to be more active doesn’t change my opinion of you.

Why Hyper? Just because he accused you of buddying? Hyper, in his usual style, wrote some rather useful (and quite wordy) analysis. So what makes him so scummy in your eyes that you aren't only willing but even happy to lynch him?

Yes. Coupled with the fact that he accepts unbolded votes it is a big deal. Imagine someone writing "I'm going to attack X because of his action Y"? Then when others base their actions on this being a vote, you write later that you only meant you verbally attack them?

What's especially bad is retroconning it. If HSL hadn't brought it up, I wouldn't have known Joe changed your vote. What if this put him at L-1 and I accidentally hammer?

Regarding buddying up; I felt your whole post as trying to appear too friendly to everyone. And I really wouldn't consider your "vote" on blotunga as evidence to the contrary.

I seemingly made a mistake in my post. On Fran's wagon the 4th and 5th members of the wagon were Pooka and Lifthrasil. Not Dedoporno and hypersoniclive

The poster looking most like 'jumping on opportunistic wagons' is Pooka.

Fascists may either look to weight a wagon or may look to take a distance away from any wagon.

I kind of explained my SPF thoughts above. I do have to have sympathy with the fact SPF has been unwell so he probably deserves some credit on Day 1. For future days he's a valid lynch target on the basis of him like Flub being impossible to read due to lack of content. That means if he's mafia he can easily not say anything particularly incriminating. But as a Town player he could in theory be a weak link. Not just in terms of a lack of figuring out who Scum is towards the group but the question of whether he's reading enough to make the best votes himself.

The ghost mechanic would make the game more social. Another balancing mechanic is perhaps taking away the knowledge of roles on death. That would be interesting. Both sets of players could influence the game beyond the grave and Town wouldn't know where they stood until the end.



I reminded Joe in my post 3 days ago that I'd intended to vote Blotunga. But I'll follow protocol from now on. I do seem to remember some Mafia game where we used Punch/Kick etc though but I don't remember which and maybe it was because of 'flavour'.

But what if the player uses his Men-in-Black glasses to prevent memory liss?

I guess you are no Roleplayer. Because IC and OC are common shortcuts their for In Character as when you write as role like me Koro Koro Tank or Out Character when you write as the player behind it. I have not contributet anything until now because I am not sure what to say now or if anything. At the Moment it seems Fran will get lynchod for OC Reasons and there is a big confusion at the rest. But I guess you are right I should make now a clear cut and start arguing at next round when I feel I need to argument for or against something. All I have to say now is, we should just wait the deadline now. So
UNVOTE Lifthrasil
VOTE NO UNMASKING

I suspect you're joking but in case you're not I meant the rest of the surviving Liberal players don't find out a players alignment

Yes, that will make lynching super useful.
Please read what Lift wrote regarding this, No Unmasking isn't even remotely useful.

If we're going to end the day with no info, let's at least get rid of the deadweight player.

I can witness the fact ZFRs post wasn't edited and that he double posted.

So OC, did you find the game initially distressing? Because it should be a fun game of wits. We all have roles in the game. So when someone calls you 'scum', they're only accusing you of being on the Mafia Team, it's not a personal attack. Mafia players will make slips and it boils down to whether Town Team can catch out and figure out Mafia Team.

I'm not sure what team you're on but if you're Town remember that Mafia will kill Town players at night so we need to try and find them and kill them during the Day in order to win the game.